Re: Mind's Eye Re: the standard over-optimist?

Turns out I've seen most of it - BBC2 did a dubbed version - I
remember the bit at the beginning where the teachers get the classes
neither is suited to. In the rest of the film I can't get over how
impossible the setting is in English terms as our undergrads are
nowhere near as sophisticated as these 'schoolies' (neither am I).
The best strategy on creativity I ever found was to let people do
their own thing and find ways to mark that with them. Film was often
the chosen medium. I'm both overbearingly serious and very shy, so my
icebreaker usually involved taking the rise out of this as a self-
aware dork.

On Mar 19, 10:44 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll track down The Wave.  I never quite get to despise students James
> - I'm sick of seeing them taking on mortgages in order to clutch
> increasingly worthless qualifications.
>
> On Mar 17, 1:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is true rigs - but the deeper point on this is about how we
> > > maintain a more collective form of madness and lack the means to
> > > question it without massive resistance.  I forget most of Freud these
> > > days James, though I'm looking at Weber again.  I rather like the idea
> > > of looking at ourselves as Jared Diamond suggests in terms of
> > > societies that went barking into ecocide.
>
> > The hilarity just struck me when considering the Romans, we don't seem
> > to have things figured much better. Where is the waste exchange
> > economy? I agree, resource consumption is a good variable to watch-
> > but then I have lately been translating everything from garbage to
> > crime and poverty with one variable resulting from mismanagement:
> > Waste.
>
> > > I'm not really a tree
> > > hugger (though have been known to hug trees), but feel we have to find
> > > ways to admit we've got most things upside down.
>
> > Several times I've communed with a hand on one, but I've personally
> > taken down several more. Kids make some sense when asking "why." If we
> > took time to inspect the answers we might find things resemble a
> > science, of the dark ages..
>
> > >  On the personal
> > > paranoid side James, I now find myself believing very little outside
> > > of science in the guise of public argument and academic trivia.  I've
> > > long believed creativity is killed stone dead by 'smiling ignorance'
> > > and daft ideas like brainstorming - because the critical edge needs to
> > > be sharp and stun the ideological trance.
>
> > Very much in agreement, but tact is important to get them decoupling
> > their enthusiasm from conditioning without putting them into a
> > post-traumatic state. Leave enough slack for the trauma to his them
> > around bedtime! :D I say stuff like this to my fiancee about her
> > students to lighten things up a little. It would be neat to take
> > something like brainstorming and collect a few strategic examples of
> > problem solving methods from different fields, there's gotta be
> > something out there to ignite a few synapses. If you get flak from the
> > supers chide them on the lack of dynamic teachers in the profession
> > who can get through to kids and the impacts on society, be sure to
> > phrase it in a way that makes the super look good of course. ;-) LOL
>
> > Somewhat unrelated, there is a neat German movie (subtitled not
> > dubbed) called The Wave you might like, it's one of those simple
> > concept movies tying psychology to social movements baring the dark
> > and potentially sinister and is between a teacher and his students.
>
> > > I find myself a proponent of de-schooling after so much time in
> > > education.  Apple is now 'worth more' (in market capitalisation) than
> > > the whole of US retail.  I don't like being retailed and would be
> > > happy to see the shops go in favour of more direct sales.  What we
> > > miss is stuff like this means we are finding new efficiencies, but
> > > retain the same old ideas on what jobs  are for.  Fear not, the
> > > private sector cavalry will ride in with new products and services -
> > > but where are they?  My guess is this is all to do with our easy
> > > acceptance of positive gloss and lack of ability to take
> > > responsibility for new ways of living.  This is so bad we 'believe'
> > > that global competition will do something other than put us all  on
> > > Chinese wages and conditions.
>
> > I think the plan was for global economy to stabilize around the year
> > 2050, but then again I never caught wind of a Plan A before the B. I'm
> > confident you would despise me in the classroom due to learning and
> > study habits, I once had an Indian algebra teacher chanting the rule
> > of not dividing by zero for a solid four minutes, he had the whole
> > class join in. :/
>
> > > On Mar 15, 6:12 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Sociopaths exist in all socio-economic groups.
>
> > >> On Mar 14, 9:32 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > I particularly like the research on investment CEOs that shows they
> > >> > over-rate their abilities and actually produce 'negative alpha' rather
> > >> > than competent investment decisions - these being the very people who
> > >> > threaten to go away if we restrict their 'earnings'.  The quick
> > >> > portrait of Steve Jobs also demonstrates a main theme of the 'rich are
> > >> > mean' in his selfish world in which rules do not apply to him.  One
> > >> > wonders whether Apple might be an American manufacturer (and so on) if
> > >> > we had proper economic rules that stop chancers like him doing their
> > >> > immoral stuff?
>
> > >> > On Mar 14, 2:23 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=opting-out-of-overop...
>
> > >> > > This is an interesting little story covering some of the research
> > >> > > demonstrating people are over-optimistic and this has dangerous
> > >> > > outcomes.  I winder if this is how the peculiar views on economics
> > >> > > most hold and the dominance of cheery types in our media?- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Mind's Eye Re: the standard over-optimist?

I'll track down The Wave. I never quite get to despise students James
- I'm sick of seeing them taking on mortgages in order to clutch
increasingly worthless qualifications.

On Mar 17, 1:01 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is true rigs - but the deeper point on this is about how we
> > maintain a more collective form of madness and lack the means to
> > question it without massive resistance.  I forget most of Freud these
> > days James, though I'm looking at Weber again.  I rather like the idea
> > of looking at ourselves as Jared Diamond suggests in terms of
> > societies that went barking into ecocide.
>
> The hilarity just struck me when considering the Romans, we don't seem
> to have things figured much better. Where is the waste exchange
> economy? I agree, resource consumption is a good variable to watch-
> but then I have lately been translating everything from garbage to
> crime and poverty with one variable resulting from mismanagement:
> Waste.
>
> > I'm not really a tree
> > hugger (though have been known to hug trees), but feel we have to find
> > ways to admit we've got most things upside down.
>
> Several times I've communed with a hand on one, but I've personally
> taken down several more. Kids make some sense when asking "why." If we
> took time to inspect the answers we might find things resemble a
> science, of the dark ages..
>
> >  On the personal
> > paranoid side James, I now find myself believing very little outside
> > of science in the guise of public argument and academic trivia.  I've
> > long believed creativity is killed stone dead by 'smiling ignorance'
> > and daft ideas like brainstorming - because the critical edge needs to
> > be sharp and stun the ideological trance.
>
> Very much in agreement, but tact is important to get them decoupling
> their enthusiasm from conditioning without putting them into a
> post-traumatic state. Leave enough slack for the trauma to his them
> around bedtime! :D I say stuff like this to my fiancee about her
> students to lighten things up a little. It would be neat to take
> something like brainstorming and collect a few strategic examples of
> problem solving methods from different fields, there's gotta be
> something out there to ignite a few synapses. If you get flak from the
> supers chide them on the lack of dynamic teachers in the profession
> who can get through to kids and the impacts on society, be sure to
> phrase it in a way that makes the super look good of course. ;-) LOL
>
> Somewhat unrelated, there is a neat German movie (subtitled not
> dubbed) called The Wave you might like, it's one of those simple
> concept movies tying psychology to social movements baring the dark
> and potentially sinister and is between a teacher and his students.
>
> > I find myself a proponent of de-schooling after so much time in
> > education.  Apple is now 'worth more' (in market capitalisation) than
> > the whole of US retail.  I don't like being retailed and would be
> > happy to see the shops go in favour of more direct sales.  What we
> > miss is stuff like this means we are finding new efficiencies, but
> > retain the same old ideas on what jobs  are for.  Fear not, the
> > private sector cavalry will ride in with new products and services -
> > but where are they?  My guess is this is all to do with our easy
> > acceptance of positive gloss and lack of ability to take
> > responsibility for new ways of living.  This is so bad we 'believe'
> > that global competition will do something other than put us all  on
> > Chinese wages and conditions.
>
> I think the plan was for global economy to stabilize around the year
> 2050, but then again I never caught wind of a Plan A before the B. I'm
> confident you would despise me in the classroom due to learning and
> study habits, I once had an Indian algebra teacher chanting the rule
> of not dividing by zero for a solid four minutes, he had the whole
> class join in. :/
>
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> > On Mar 15, 6:12 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Sociopaths exist in all socio-economic groups.
>
> >> On Mar 14, 9:32 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I particularly like the research on investment CEOs that shows they
> >> > over-rate their abilities and actually produce 'negative alpha' rather
> >> > than competent investment decisions - these being the very people who
> >> > threaten to go away if we restrict their 'earnings'.  The quick
> >> > portrait of Steve Jobs also demonstrates a main theme of the 'rich are
> >> > mean' in his selfish world in which rules do not apply to him.  One
> >> > wonders whether Apple might be an American manufacturer (and so on) if
> >> > we had proper economic rules that stop chancers like him doing their
> >> > immoral stuff?
>
> >> > On Mar 14, 2:23 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=opting-out-of-overop...
>
> >> > > This is an interesting little story covering some of the research
> >> > > demonstrating people are over-optimistic and this has dangerous
> >> > > outcomes.  I winder if this is how the peculiar views on economics
> >> > > most hold and the dominance of cheery types in our media?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -

Re: Mind's Eye Re: The Unconscious

For who? For what? In a human resource management context it seems intuitively right though.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:34 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
The female is only half the equation and gets no extra points for
being a vehicle, imo. Motherhood was boosted by pagans and Christians
to make up for the patriarchy which designed and ruled the world- and
still does in spite of women's lib. Note your use of the male pronoun
with your examples, for instance- it's sub.cs and automatic.But I get
distracted by stray thoughts- I was wondering the other day if
abortion is a form of human sacrifice, for instance.

On Mar 18, 6:24 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Simply for simplicity reasons, it's a strong image. I might have said: the
> author and his book, the founder and his company, the developer and his
> creation, the scientist and his findings, etc.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why take the perspective from the mother? I don't believe in
> > reincarnation but do find family traits acceptable. One friend joked-
> > with love- that my mother's cord was really an anchor chain from a
> > battleship.
>
> > On Mar 18, 8:17 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Rigs, this interpretation looks too short sighted. Or the other way
> > > round - you know what I mean. Anyways, I would postulate that the so
> > called
> > > afterlife (a too two-dimensional translation by the way) begins as soon
> > as
> > > the navel cord of whatever you accept to be your baby has been cut. In
> > that
> > > respect or from that perspective is commonly achievable to be able to
> > > oversee and remember even more that one afterlife.
>
> > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I believe the memories remaining with the living or creations left
> > > > behind- even our genetic codes- are our afterlife. The lure of an
> > > > afterlife is to give hope to those who found real life pretty
> > > > miserable plus provides a rationale for various religious and moral
> > > > rules. What was the sale of Indulgences during the Middle Ages except
> > > > a form of a protection racket?
>
> > > > On Mar 18, 3:58 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Some people believe in an after-life because some people claim to
> > > > > remember past births , experience is on their side , they say. You
> > > > > might as well believe in ghosts and ghouls because some people claim
> > > > > to have experienced them. So much for experience !
>
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > How do you know that, RP, when your dead ? Have you ever died
> > before ?
>
> > > > > > We all have a body and a mind. Based on its capabilities, or
> > > > > > incapabilities, what are we talking about ? Nature ? We hardly know
> > > > > > what, how much, how far, in what ways... it works, in all the 10 to
> > > > > > power 22 star worlds. What we know of it can hardly determine what
> > we
> > > > > > do know about it, quite as the past can hardly define the future !
>
> > > > > > Likewise, God. WTF are we talking about ? Now this could seem rude
> > but
> > > > > > should make perfect sense in the context. As in what is this God ?
> > > > > > What constitutes it ? How does it relate to that other fog word "
> > > > > > Nature " ?
>
> > > > > > I sincerely believe such threads are started on account of
> > something
> > > > > > diseased within us !
>
> > > > > > Healthy people should be talking of matters they know or have
> > > > > > experienced. One can then opine, extrapolate, theorise... and
> > still be
> > > > > > understandable.
>
> > > > > > On Mar 17, 11:26 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Good
> > > > > >> Allan
> > > > > >> On Mar 17, 2012 5:28 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > As long as I am alive I am conscious of the world and myself ,
> > but
> > > > when I
> > > > > >> > am dead I reach a state of permanent unconsciousness , a state
> > of
> > > > supreme
> > > > > >> > peace where nothing disturbs me , a sort of nirvana. that is the
> > > > ultimate
> > > > > >> > state from which nobody returns.
>
> > > > > >> > On Friday, March 9, 2012 3:32:12 AM UTC+5:30, Ash wrote:
>
> > > > > >> >> This does make some sense to me RP so I hope my question
> > doesn't
> > > > sound
> > > > > >> >> critical. For me thinking in this way causes a massive amount
> > of
> > > > > >> >> difficulty, as it sounds like immutable truths, so I have to
> > > > translate
> > > > > >> >> away the language to get glints of my own thinking through. We
> > > > could
> > > > > >> >> easily call my predicament not seeing the forest for the
> > trees, and
> > > > > >> >> that would be a fitting if not limited statement. In my mind I
> > > > prefer
> > > > > >> >> to start with the will representing laws of nature which are
> > > > dynamic,
> > > > > >> >> and work more along an opportunistic heuristic. For me it is
> > > > obvious
> > > > > >> >> that some people talk about an n-dimensional entity, but n is
> > an
> > > > > >> >> aspect of scope in one's perspective. If n is potentially
> > infinite,
> > > > > >> >> then the truths may have strength but are more optimizations
> > than
> > > > > >> >> static ontology. I am wondering if there is some useful
> > perspective
> > > > > >> >> that can be used in my situation, or perhaps it is a hopeless
> > case.
> > > > > >> >> Perhaps you have something to help me?
>
> > > > > >> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > Neil , there is no difference. The universe is not nature
> > but a
> > > > > >> >> > manifestation of Nature or God. It is unconscious but not
> > dead,
> > > > as
> > > > > >> >> > that would have meant no life , further it has to be
> > unconscious
> > > > as
> > > > > >> >> > the conscious is always bound to certain limits and is dual.
>
> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >> That's a little bit different - and I'm in agreement.  Some
> > > > scientists
> > > > > >> >> >> have suggested we could make a universe with life
> > conditions in
> > > > the
> > > > > >> >> >> laboratory - still leaving us with issues about beginnings.
> > > >  Science
> > > > > >> >> >> fiction wise one can imagine making such universes in order
> > to
> > > > travel
> > > > > >> >> >> in time in them to discover more on how we were made - by
> > > > occupying
> > > > > >> >> >> earlier stages of them.  I tend to think of the unconscious
> > as
> > > > what
> > > > > >> >> >> isn't in rational consciousness, but I know this is
> > inadequate
> > > > as much
> > > > > >> >> >> human consciousness in action is not known to the
> > participants
> > > > > >> >> >> rationally.
>
> > > > > >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2:59 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >>> Life had to come from somewhere , why not from an
> > unconscious
> > > > Nature
> > > > > >> >> >>> which would explain the presence of Laws behind every
> > action
> > > > and
> > > > > >> >> >>> inaction.
>
> > > > > >> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM, archytas <
> > nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >>> > That doesn't help RP.  Why this rather than a host of
> > > > alternatives?
>
> > > > > >> >> >>> > On Mar 4, 4:28 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> God is not made of fire , air , earth , water , ether
> > and
> > > > > >> >> consciousness ,
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> rather all these emanate from Him. God is unconscious
> > and
> > > > without
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> attributes.
>
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP
> > Singh
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the
> > > > Creation
> > > > > >> >> which
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that you
> > > > have
> > > > > >> >> choice , but
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the
> > > > trajectory
> > > > > >> >> of the
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included,
> > is
> > > > bound
> > > > > >> >> by laws and
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of
> > > > God".
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:51:49 PM UTC+5:30, RP
> > Singh
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the
> > > > Creation
> > > > > >> >> which
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > emanates from it has no choice. You may think that you
> > > > have
> > > > > >> >> choice , but
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the
> > > > trajectory
> > > > > >> >> of the
> > > > > >> >> >>> >> > celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included,
> > is
> > > > bound
> > > > > >> >> by laws and
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