Re: Mind's Eye Re: Thinking Earth

I read some where the traits if the different races. (memory probably failing )  said the greatest trait if the oriental race was one of sustaining a culture for centuries,  the Caucasian race is one scientific development and creative thinking,
Some how I get the feeling the assessment was right. A friend of mine who works for the Chinese are always cheating and stealing with their business practice being something else.
Allan

On Jun 30, 2012 2:25 AM, "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
and valor.

On Jun 29, 8:02 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> China is up to mischief all over.  They are using mineral near-
> monopolies against WTO regs.  They steal intellectual property. They
> channel stuff to make their economy seem t work.  They and others are
> attacking the petro-eurodollar.  The Germans have probably manipulated
> the Euro.  Britain is the hub of every disgusting financial practice
> imaginable.  Top universities invest alumni funds in schemes like the
> old Scottish Enclosures.The world lacks charm rigs!
>
> On Jun 29, 10:13 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Maybe the universal draft should be reinstated- for men and women-
> > ages 18-20 with reserve duties. Since the military is so high tech we
> > really don't need the manpower there but could use it in other areas
> > of service. This youth and the older protestors are re-living the
> > '60"s. Or trying to. They have also grown up in an era of unearned
> > entitlements which ruins character.
>
> > I don't know about post war prosperity- everyone who won was broke. We
> > bounced back first because the country had not been bombed to pieces
> > are we were geared up for manufacture and a huge pent up consumer
> > hunger. The following wars are just what Eisenhower warned us of- the
> > military-industrial complex that has worn us out and depleted the
> > treasury.
>
> > I find it strange with all our military know-how we cannot detect
> > roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
>
> > China has kept out of mischief to build and trade. Russia has only
> > reacted to political or terrorist mischief. But both make and deal
> > weapons.
>
> > On Jun 28, 10:50 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:33 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes- that Patton.//I'll be dead in 30 years.// I like characters who
> > > > don't fit "the mold"- though I know they are usually asking for big
> > > > trouble. At any rate- back to warfare- there are field battles and now
> > > > we prefer high tech drones, special forces, economic sanctions, etc.
> > > > What are you suggesting? Do you have an alternative? Oh yes- there's
> > > > world peace and prosperity...
>
> > > Didn't mean you personally Rigs I was referring to today's young men.
> > > Today's computer game playing, food stamp getting, gimmie my share
> > > Occupiers that would rather complain then go out and get a job. Those
> > > guys. Plus I still can't get over the Brony phenomenon. This
> > > Metro-Sexual thing is getting outta hand. IMHO.
>
> > > World Peace and Prosperity. That's what happens in between huge wars.
> > > Watching China and Russia jockey for postion as the next Superpowers
> > > is depressing me.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > > On Jun 28, 5:19 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > You mean this Patton?
>
> > > >> > Ah, but we've come a long way since this, eh? Now, in 30 years when
> > > >> > you're sitting by your fireside with your grandchildren on you're knee
> > > >> > you can tell them you sat out WWIII watching My Little Pony reruns on
> > > >> > The Hub.
>
> > > >> > dj
>
> > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHGCNbntS0
>
> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> That might work in a restaurant...
>
> > > >> >> And what's this American bit? You mean when we arrived we explained
> > > >> >> our long range plans to the Indians? Etc. Hitler, then, would be
> > > >> >> admirable?
>
> > > >> >> Yes- I like Patton and his type. Like Mencken. Many others.
> > > >> >> However...some zero in and others circle and it really depends on many
> > > >> >> factors. I have found most do not like to hear critical truths and
> > > >> >> furthermore many subjects are avoided in social groups lest someone's
> > > >> >> feelings are aroused or group unity is threatened. Depending on the
> > > >> >> situation and risk, sometimes discretion is the better course (for
> > > >> >> instance, to spare the impact upon your children as a minor example;
> > > >> >> violence or war being more extreme cases).
>
> > > >> >> But I like you better now that I know you can say you are sorry- I
> > > >> >> find that beautiful about you.
>
> > > >> >> On Jun 27, 10:42 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> I am sorry, Molly.
>
> > > >> >>> I am very sorry, Malcymo.
>
> > > >> >>> It was a very poor job of pulling your leg out of that constant
> > > >> >>> apologetic and self-abnegating crouch your posts project you as. It's
> > > >> >>> very un-American... ref to that very admirable quality of putting
> > > >> >>> things direct and stating matters without diffidence.
>
> > > >> >>> Come on man. F... who knows what and who does not.
> > > >> >>> Let's put it on table : both our answers and questions, in truth,
> > > >> >>> without preamble or defensive explanations.
>
> > > >> >>> On Jun 27, 4:47 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > Why such agitation, Vam?  The group is not going to exist without
> > > >> >>> > common respect, you of all should understand that.
>
> > > >> >>> > On Jun 26, 8:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > Malcymo... what is your son's idols ?
>
> > > >> >>> > > I believe you don't know a shit. If you did, you would have enjoyed
> > > >> >>> > > entertaining us !
>
> > > >> >>> > > On Jun 26, 2:36 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > Feynman, I have always wanted to take him on board. He is, I believe, one
> > > >> >>> > > > of my son's idols.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > On Monday, June 25, 2012 11:44:57 PM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > Speaking of Feynman, the famous Cornell lecture series, which might be
> > > >> >>> > > > > quite on topic:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > >http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=3%7Cd71...
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > Haven't had time to watch much but he did integrate a lot of humor.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > On 6/25/2012 7:22 AM, Molly wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > > Not sure Richard Feynman would have agreed, but ok.  Quantum computing
> > > >> >>> > > > > > is still being poineered
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > > On Jun 25, 4:23 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> lol  Now we know what you spend your time pondering while you roam the
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> jungles 6 months at a time..
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> They are not imaginary but rather real as you can show the effect.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> But you must remember americans have not reached the A0, A1, A2, A4 ,,
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> Their math is still stuck in the archaic age of paper.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> Allan
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> On Jun 25, 2012 8:52 AM, "malcymo"<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A couple of short mathematical poems for you all:-
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Uniformity*
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio 'one by root two'****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Has powerful acclaim****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> For should one divide one by two****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio remains****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> This simple fact made foolscap die****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> And paper size mundane.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'A0', 'A1', 'A2', 'A4'****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> When folded look the same.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Numbers Imaginary*
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> * *
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> That damned square root of minus one****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Does not exist or so they say****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> So let's imagine that it does****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> And give it a name, Call it 'j'.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> For 'j' to have reality****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Real things it then must do for me****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> If not it will simply remain,****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Imaginary in fact and name.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'j' squared times one is minus one****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> So by itself, what must it do,****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi over two?
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Just sharing, Malc****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> On Monday, 25 June 2012 17:27:47 UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> That definitely is geometrical but can get very complicated- it's
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> great if it falls into place naturally or easily on a crude 3:5 or
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> 5:8. The Japanese diagonals are a lure- always- so I get into a
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> scramble sometimes- but that's back to perspective. Anyway, this
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> figure is in trouble- it might be 10 years ago I started it- maybe
> > > >> >>> > > > > 15.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> Am starting to call her Dizzy Mona. :-)
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Jun 23, 11:53 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> And to think that some mathematical ratios are also aesthetically
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> beautiful. I am thinking of the Golden Ratio in art and the most
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> delightful
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> aspect ratio for a picture or TV screen.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:26:15 AM UTC+12, pol.science kid wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> I came accross this article mentioning the fibbonacci series... and
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> the mathematical patterns in nature.. then i wikied it... there
> > > >> >>> > > > > were
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> too many concepts for me to grasp cos i am not familiar with math
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> that
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> much(i feel now i should do something about it).. it was really
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> amazing for me... specific patterns.. in precison.. makes you
> > > >> >>> > > > > wonder
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> whether after there is a MIND that contains us... and whether there
>
> ...
>
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Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

no Mal I really don't buy the blank table concept,,   there is the built in moral code which all souls know and  understand,, evolutionary traits are written in.. one thing it is not is blank,,  accessing this information like reading and writing is not that difficult,  other than the spiritual law of do no harm.  the rest of the information is difficult to access.
Allan

On Jun 18, 2012 9:23 PM, "malcymo" <malcymo@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Gabby,
 
The human conditioning that lies with us on the blank table: our evolutionary successful traits.Things that we can just do like learn to talk. Not the hard things like learn to write.
 

On Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:07 PM UTC+12, gabbydott wrote:
Yes, I think I know what you are aiming at. That's why I have been saying time and time again that the blank table theory on which you put or take away the food for development is an unuseful construct. Even if it has four legs, it still doesn't walk, so to speak. What I'd like to raise awareness for is that human conditioning starts before the little human lies on the table to be told and shown what is good and what is bad. In that sense I'd agree that there is something "natural" in morality.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, pol.science kid  wrote:
so when you say 'the human condition makes me human'... the fact of being human makes me human.?...  and the conditions that be inform my morality... now taking this and putting it on the dude from my book... so it will absolve him of any amoral or immoral calls he takes... now i suppose this was the stand i was driving at... but i cant get something in my mind clear yet... i find somehow.. different the two worlds.. korea and the Eusa... although the eusa has been formed after the 'apocalypse'... see they can make themselves yet... their history of horror might inform their 'morality or ethics'.. but then their life and experience will add to it...their instincts will still have primacy(i have my questions about instincts still though)... i dont see no 'evil overlord'... now if some one starts form blank in a scenario(the korean camp)... where they are conditioned by reward and punishment..quite different form what we say our normal world gives.. where.. there are no bonds of sympathy... or empathy.. where causing the death of your kin is normal... i want to ask... and know.. will the insticts of this person know.. how would right and wrong be.. what would be 'natural'.. i cant help but think there is something 'natural' in morality..and 'good'..what would be 'good' for those born in camps... wouldnt this person be different from people who came to camp... maybe because they have a recollection of what life can be ... although even civil life in North korea is very much subject to control....this is turning out to be a long winded thing.... but i think you may get my jist....


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM, gabbydott  wrote:
Like James says, it's a familiar story. I don't think one needs to have read all the books on the subject to be able to recognize a universal pattern. How I relate to the world is geared by the human condition that made me human and where I am drawing connections I am doing the conditioning myself. Pinpointing high and low morale on an evolutionary map seems dumb in this light. My being a lion makes perfect sense at one time but I expect you to treat me as a human nevertheless. That's how I would approach the fear of losing history, historical knowledge and the forgetting of the morals evolved  thereof. Assessing independently of judgement is a much more pleasant state of mind, I understand. :)



On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM, pol.science kid  wrote:

Uh.. since i didnt read the book ..i cant reeally say what the author intends... but why i brought it up was to think about the conditioning of human beings in a very different environment.. and what kinds of humans it effects... and i was wondering whether the moral idea of a human being is universal... i read the blog you gave the link to..thanks..its a very interesting book.. looking forward to read it... i guess its similar in the way that there is a loss of history i suppose in forming standards..sort of a bleak start... but since i have little idea of what comprised the world in the book..i feel unable to draw the connection to my problem... perhaps you could...and forgive my slow uptake but i couldnt exactly place the quote in my post... the man eats lion one... is it a paradox on mans high moral being?? ... i am not able to articulate correctly... sorry for giving this weird reply..it doesnt quite make sense.. perhaps it will make sense in the morning...

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:53 PM, pol.science kid < wrote:
oh ..um..i just re read my post... in my post.. the line with china and cold war... i meant to ask what was responsible for  N korea turning that way.. sorry for eating the line.. was a bit tipsy... and ill get back to you on your reply soon...


On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM, gabbydott < wrote:
Are you saying that the author of this book is suggesting that only moral order has turned human life upside down and left to right compared to how other worlds conceive of theirs? As in the quotation of the preface of another book dealing with this subject which is commented on here  http://gerryco23.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/riddley-walker/ :
Jesus said: Blessed the lion that the man will devour, and the lion will become man. And loathsome is the man that the lion will devour, and the lion will become man.
I would argue that this is too flat an argumantation. Need to do something now. Sorry, that I can't expand on it now.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM, pol.science kid  wrote:
I was reading and suddenly i remembered a horrifying detail... just recently this book has been out... Escape from camp14.. i forget the authors name.. i am wondering if i have already made a post on this.. have i...? ..if yes.. sorry for the repetition.. if no.. i just cant get it out of my head.. the account of this horrid life in North Korea... the Cold War.. Russia.. China... ? The Western World even...Its strange the people living under a fear regime for so long... brings images of 1984(book)... But my issue here is a different one... I didnt read the book.. cos i dont have it.. but i read about it... maybe you guys can google it and see.. i am too lazy to post a link here :)...  But .this..guy who escapes.. he was born in the camp... and one thing he reveals is that he caused the death of his mother, and siblings... or both parents.. and some relatives.. to gain favor with the authorities... somethng like that is pretty shocking to us... but.. how would you judge this man.. maybe we dont have a right to judge him..but just hypothetically to have a discussion.. there is no morality here is there... now this man.. doesnt he seem to be comlpetely amoral... not immoral... maybe immoral to us... the review said in the book this man shows no compunction for what he did..i am just trying to concieve of these worlds...where... being human is comletely different... what informs these worlds... the people who comprise it... ?..what say you guys..




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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Thinking Earth

and valor.

On Jun 29, 8:02 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> China is up to mischief all over.  They are using mineral near-
> monopolies against WTO regs.  They steal intellectual property. They
> channel stuff to make their economy seem t work.  They and others are
> attacking the petro-eurodollar.  The Germans have probably manipulated
> the Euro.  Britain is the hub of every disgusting financial practice
> imaginable.  Top universities invest alumni funds in schemes like the
> old Scottish Enclosures.The world lacks charm rigs!
>
> On Jun 29, 10:13 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Maybe the universal draft should be reinstated- for men and women-
> > ages 18-20 with reserve duties. Since the military is so high tech we
> > really don't need the manpower there but could use it in other areas
> > of service. This youth and the older protestors are re-living the
> > '60"s. Or trying to. They have also grown up in an era of unearned
> > entitlements which ruins character.
>
> > I don't know about post war prosperity- everyone who won was broke. We
> > bounced back first because the country had not been bombed to pieces
> > are we were geared up for manufacture and a huge pent up consumer
> > hunger. The following wars are just what Eisenhower warned us of- the
> > military-industrial complex that has worn us out and depleted the
> > treasury.
>
> > I find it strange with all our military know-how we cannot detect
> > roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
>
> > China has kept out of mischief to build and trade. Russia has only
> > reacted to political or terrorist mischief. But both make and deal
> > weapons.
>
> > On Jun 28, 10:50 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:33 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes- that Patton.//I'll be dead in 30 years.// I like characters who
> > > > don't fit "the mold"- though I know they are usually asking for big
> > > > trouble. At any rate- back to warfare- there are field battles and now
> > > > we prefer high tech drones, special forces, economic sanctions, etc.
> > > > What are you suggesting? Do you have an alternative? Oh yes- there's
> > > > world peace and prosperity...
>
> > > Didn't mean you personally Rigs I was referring to today's young men.
> > > Today's computer game playing, food stamp getting, gimmie my share
> > > Occupiers that would rather complain then go out and get a job. Those
> > > guys. Plus I still can't get over the Brony phenomenon. This
> > > Metro-Sexual thing is getting outta hand. IMHO.
>
> > > World Peace and Prosperity. That's what happens in between huge wars.
> > > Watching China and Russia jockey for postion as the next Superpowers
> > > is depressing me.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > > On Jun 28, 5:19 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > You mean this Patton?
>
> > > >> > Ah, but we've come a long way since this, eh? Now, in 30 years when
> > > >> > you're sitting by your fireside with your grandchildren on you're knee
> > > >> > you can tell them you sat out WWIII watching My Little Pony reruns on
> > > >> > The Hub.
>
> > > >> > dj
>
> > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHGCNbntS0
>
> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> That might work in a restaurant...
>
> > > >> >> And what's this American bit? You mean when we arrived we explained
> > > >> >> our long range plans to the Indians? Etc. Hitler, then, would be
> > > >> >> admirable?
>
> > > >> >> Yes- I like Patton and his type. Like Mencken. Many others.
> > > >> >> However...some zero in and others circle and it really depends on many
> > > >> >> factors. I have found most do not like to hear critical truths and
> > > >> >> furthermore many subjects are avoided in social groups lest someone's
> > > >> >> feelings are aroused or group unity is threatened. Depending on the
> > > >> >> situation and risk, sometimes discretion is the better course (for
> > > >> >> instance, to spare the impact upon your children as a minor example;
> > > >> >> violence or war being more extreme cases).
>
> > > >> >> But I like you better now that I know you can say you are sorry- I
> > > >> >> find that beautiful about you.
>
> > > >> >> On Jun 27, 10:42 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>> I am sorry, Molly.
>
> > > >> >>> I am very sorry, Malcymo.
>
> > > >> >>> It was a very poor job of pulling your leg out of that constant
> > > >> >>> apologetic and self-abnegating crouch your posts project you as. It's
> > > >> >>> very un-American... ref to that very admirable quality of putting
> > > >> >>> things direct and stating matters without diffidence.
>
> > > >> >>> Come on man. F... who knows what and who does not.
> > > >> >>> Let's put it on table : both our answers and questions, in truth,
> > > >> >>> without preamble or defensive explanations.
>
> > > >> >>> On Jun 27, 4:47 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > Why such agitation, Vam?  The group is not going to exist without
> > > >> >>> > common respect, you of all should understand that.
>
> > > >> >>> > On Jun 26, 8:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > Malcymo... what is your son's idols ?
>
> > > >> >>> > > I believe you don't know a shit. If you did, you would have enjoyed
> > > >> >>> > > entertaining us !
>
> > > >> >>> > > On Jun 26, 2:36 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > Feynman, I have always wanted to take him on board. He is, I believe, one
> > > >> >>> > > > of my son's idols.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > On Monday, June 25, 2012 11:44:57 PM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > Speaking of Feynman, the famous Cornell lecture series, which might be
> > > >> >>> > > > > quite on topic:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > >http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=3%7Cd71...
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > Haven't had time to watch much but he did integrate a lot of humor.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > On 6/25/2012 7:22 AM, Molly wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > > Not sure Richard Feynman would have agreed, but ok.  Quantum computing
> > > >> >>> > > > > > is still being poineered
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > > On Jun 25, 4:23 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> lol  Now we know what you spend your time pondering while you roam the
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> jungles 6 months at a time..
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> They are not imaginary but rather real as you can show the effect.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> But you must remember americans have not reached the A0, A1, A2, A4 ,,
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> Their math is still stuck in the archaic age of paper.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> Allan
> > > >> >>> > > > > >> On Jun 25, 2012 8:52 AM, "malcymo"<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A couple of short mathematical poems for you all:-
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Uniformity*
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio 'one by root two'****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Has powerful acclaim****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> For should one divide one by two****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio remains****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> This simple fact made foolscap die****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> And paper size mundane.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'A0', 'A1', 'A2', 'A4'****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> When folded look the same.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Numbers Imaginary*
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> * *
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> That damned square root of minus one****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Does not exist or so they say****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> So let's imagine that it does****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> And give it a name, Call it 'j'.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> For 'j' to have reality****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Real things it then must do for me****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> If not it will simply remain,****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Imaginary in fact and name.****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'j' squared times one is minus one****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> So by itself, what must it do,****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi over two?
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> Just sharing, Malc****
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>> On Monday, 25 June 2012 17:27:47 UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> That definitely is geometrical but can get very complicated- it's
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> great if it falls into place naturally or easily on a crude 3:5 or
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> 5:8. The Japanese diagonals are a lure- always- so I get into a
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> scramble sometimes- but that's back to perspective. Anyway, this
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> figure is in trouble- it might be 10 years ago I started it- maybe
> > > >> >>> > > > > 15.
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> Am starting to call her Dizzy Mona. :-)
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Jun 23, 11:53 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> And to think that some mathematical ratios are also aesthetically
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> beautiful. I am thinking of the Golden Ratio in art and the most
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> delightful
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> aspect ratio for a picture or TV screen.
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:26:15 AM UTC+12, pol.science kid wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> I came accross this article mentioning the fibbonacci series... and
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> the mathematical patterns in nature.. then i wikied it... there
> > > >> >>> > > > > were
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> too many concepts for me to grasp cos i am not familiar with math
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>> that
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> much(i feel now i should do something about it).. it was really
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> amazing for me... specific patterns.. in precison.. makes you
> > > >> >>> > > > > wonder
> > > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> whether after there is a MIND that contains us... and whether there
>
> ...
>
> read more »

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Thinking Earth

China is up to mischief all over. They are using mineral near-
monopolies against WTO regs. They steal intellectual property. They
channel stuff to make their economy seem t work. They and others are
attacking the petro-eurodollar. The Germans have probably manipulated
the Euro. Britain is the hub of every disgusting financial practice
imaginable. Top universities invest alumni funds in schemes like the
old Scottish Enclosures.The world lacks charm rigs!

On Jun 29, 10:13 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Maybe the universal draft should be reinstated- for men and women-
> ages 18-20 with reserve duties. Since the military is so high tech we
> really don't need the manpower there but could use it in other areas
> of service. This youth and the older protestors are re-living the
> '60"s. Or trying to. They have also grown up in an era of unearned
> entitlements which ruins character.
>
> I don't know about post war prosperity- everyone who won was broke. We
> bounced back first because the country had not been bombed to pieces
> are we were geared up for manufacture and a huge pent up consumer
> hunger. The following wars are just what Eisenhower warned us of- the
> military-industrial complex that has worn us out and depleted the
> treasury.
>
> I find it strange with all our military know-how we cannot detect
> roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
>
> China has kept out of mischief to build and trade. Russia has only
> reacted to political or terrorist mischief. But both make and deal
> weapons.
>
> On Jun 28, 10:50 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:33 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Yes- that Patton.//I'll be dead in 30 years.// I like characters who
> > > don't fit "the mold"- though I know they are usually asking for big
> > > trouble. At any rate- back to warfare- there are field battles and now
> > > we prefer high tech drones, special forces, economic sanctions, etc.
> > > What are you suggesting? Do you have an alternative? Oh yes- there's
> > > world peace and prosperity...
>
> > Didn't mean you personally Rigs I was referring to today's young men.
> > Today's computer game playing, food stamp getting, gimmie my share
> > Occupiers that would rather complain then go out and get a job. Those
> > guys. Plus I still can't get over the Brony phenomenon. This
> > Metro-Sexual thing is getting outta hand. IMHO.
>
> > World Peace and Prosperity. That's what happens in between huge wars.
> > Watching China and Russia jockey for postion as the next Superpowers
> > is depressing me.
>
> > dj
>
> > > On Jun 28, 5:19 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > You mean this Patton?
>
> > >> > Ah, but we've come a long way since this, eh? Now, in 30 years when
> > >> > you're sitting by your fireside with your grandchildren on you're knee
> > >> > you can tell them you sat out WWIII watching My Little Pony reruns on
> > >> > The Hub.
>
> > >> > dj
>
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHGCNbntS0
>
> > >> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >> That might work in a restaurant...
>
> > >> >> And what's this American bit? You mean when we arrived we explained
> > >> >> our long range plans to the Indians? Etc. Hitler, then, would be
> > >> >> admirable?
>
> > >> >> Yes- I like Patton and his type. Like Mencken. Many others.
> > >> >> However...some zero in and others circle and it really depends on many
> > >> >> factors. I have found most do not like to hear critical truths and
> > >> >> furthermore many subjects are avoided in social groups lest someone's
> > >> >> feelings are aroused or group unity is threatened. Depending on the
> > >> >> situation and risk, sometimes discretion is the better course (for
> > >> >> instance, to spare the impact upon your children as a minor example;
> > >> >> violence or war being more extreme cases).
>
> > >> >> But I like you better now that I know you can say you are sorry- I
> > >> >> find that beautiful about you.
>
> > >> >> On Jun 27, 10:42 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> I am sorry, Molly.
>
> > >> >>> I am very sorry, Malcymo.
>
> > >> >>> It was a very poor job of pulling your leg out of that constant
> > >> >>> apologetic and self-abnegating crouch your posts project you as. It's
> > >> >>> very un-American... ref to that very admirable quality of putting
> > >> >>> things direct and stating matters without diffidence.
>
> > >> >>> Come on man. F... who knows what and who does not.
> > >> >>> Let's put it on table : both our answers and questions, in truth,
> > >> >>> without preamble or defensive explanations.
>
> > >> >>> On Jun 27, 4:47 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > Why such agitation, Vam?  The group is not going to exist without
> > >> >>> > common respect, you of all should understand that.
>
> > >> >>> > On Jun 26, 8:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > Malcymo... what is your son's idols ?
>
> > >> >>> > > I believe you don't know a shit. If you did, you would have enjoyed
> > >> >>> > > entertaining us !
>
> > >> >>> > > On Jun 26, 2:36 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > > Feynman, I have always wanted to take him on board. He is, I believe, one
> > >> >>> > > > of my son's idols.
>
> > >> >>> > > > On Monday, June 25, 2012 11:44:57 PM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > > > Speaking of Feynman, the famous Cornell lecture series, which might be
> > >> >>> > > > > quite on topic:
>
> > >> >>> > > > >http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=3%7Cd71...
>
> > >> >>> > > > > Haven't had time to watch much but he did integrate a lot of humor.
>
> > >> >>> > > > > On 6/25/2012 7:22 AM, Molly wrote:
> > >> >>> > > > > > Not sure Richard Feynman would have agreed, but ok.  Quantum computing
> > >> >>> > > > > > is still being poineered
>
> > >> >>> > > > > > On Jun 25, 4:23 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> >>> > > > > >> lol  Now we know what you spend your time pondering while you roam the
> > >> >>> > > > > >> jungles 6 months at a time..
> > >> >>> > > > > >> They are not imaginary but rather real as you can show the effect.
> > >> >>> > > > > >> But you must remember americans have not reached the A0, A1, A2, A4 ,,
> > >> >>> > > > > >> Their math is still stuck in the archaic age of paper.
> > >> >>> > > > > >> Allan
> > >> >>> > > > > >> On Jun 25, 2012 8:52 AM, "malcymo"<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> A couple of short mathematical poems for you all:-
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Uniformity*
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio 'one by root two'****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> Has powerful acclaim****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> For should one divide one by two****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio remains****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> This simple fact made foolscap die****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> And paper size mundane.****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'A0', 'A1', 'A2', 'A4'****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> When folded look the same.
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> *Numbers Imaginary*
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> * *
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> That damned square root of minus one****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> Does not exist or so they say****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> So let's imagine that it does****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> And give it a name, Call it 'j'.****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> For 'j' to have reality****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> Real things it then must do for me****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> If not it will simply remain,****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> Imaginary in fact and name.****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> 'j' squared times one is minus one****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> So by itself, what must it do,****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi over two?
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> Just sharing, Malc****
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>> On Monday, 25 June 2012 17:27:47 UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> That definitely is geometrical but can get very complicated- it's
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> great if it falls into place naturally or easily on a crude 3:5 or
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> 5:8. The Japanese diagonals are a lure- always- so I get into a
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> scramble sometimes- but that's back to perspective. Anyway, this
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> figure is in trouble- it might be 10 years ago I started it- maybe
> > >> >>> > > > > 15.
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> Am starting to call her Dizzy Mona. :-)
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Jun 23, 11:53 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> And to think that some mathematical ratios are also aesthetically
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> beautiful. I am thinking of the Golden Ratio in art and the most
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> delightful
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> aspect ratio for a picture or TV screen.
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:26:15 AM UTC+12, pol.science kid wrote:
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> I came accross this article mentioning the fibbonacci series... and
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> the mathematical patterns in nature.. then i wikied it... there
> > >> >>> > > > > were
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> too many concepts for me to grasp cos i am not familiar with math
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> that
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> much(i feel now i should do something about it).. it was really
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> amazing for me... specific patterns.. in precison.. makes you
> > >> >>> > > > > wonder
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> whether after there is a MIND that contains us... and whether there
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> are accidents indeed?.. i kknow many of you atre science experts..
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> please bulid the discussion as you might.. i would love to know
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> more.... and know what you guys think...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >>> > > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Thinking Earth

Maybe the universal draft should be reinstated- for men and women-
ages 18-20 with reserve duties. Since the military is so high tech we
really don't need the manpower there but could use it in other areas
of service. This youth and the older protestors are re-living the
'60"s. Or trying to. They have also grown up in an era of unearned
entitlements which ruins character.

I don't know about post war prosperity- everyone who won was broke. We
bounced back first because the country had not been bombed to pieces
are we were geared up for manufacture and a huge pent up consumer
hunger. The following wars are just what Eisenhower warned us of- the
military-industrial complex that has worn us out and depleted the
treasury.

I find it strange with all our military know-how we cannot detect
roadside bombs and suicide bombers.

China has kept out of mischief to build and trade. Russia has only
reacted to political or terrorist mischief. But both make and deal
weapons.

On Jun 28, 10:50 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:33 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yes- that Patton.//I'll be dead in 30 years.// I like characters who
> > don't fit "the mold"- though I know they are usually asking for big
> > trouble. At any rate- back to warfare- there are field battles and now
> > we prefer high tech drones, special forces, economic sanctions, etc.
> > What are you suggesting? Do you have an alternative? Oh yes- there's
> > world peace and prosperity...
>
> Didn't mean you personally Rigs I was referring to today's young men.
> Today's computer game playing, food stamp getting, gimmie my share
> Occupiers that would rather complain then go out and get a job. Those
> guys. Plus I still can't get over the Brony phenomenon. This
> Metro-Sexual thing is getting outta hand. IMHO.
>
> World Peace and Prosperity. That's what happens in between huge wars.
> Watching China and Russia jockey for postion as the next Superpowers
> is depressing me.
>
> dj
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 5:19 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You mean this Patton?
>
> >> > Ah, but we've come a long way since this, eh? Now, in 30 years when
> >> > you're sitting by your fireside with your grandchildren on you're knee
> >> > you can tell them you sat out WWIII watching My Little Pony reruns on
> >> > The Hub.
>
> >> > dj
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHGCNbntS0
>
> >> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> That might work in a restaurant...
>
> >> >> And what's this American bit? You mean when we arrived we explained
> >> >> our long range plans to the Indians? Etc. Hitler, then, would be
> >> >> admirable?
>
> >> >> Yes- I like Patton and his type. Like Mencken. Many others.
> >> >> However...some zero in and others circle and it really depends on many
> >> >> factors. I have found most do not like to hear critical truths and
> >> >> furthermore many subjects are avoided in social groups lest someone's
> >> >> feelings are aroused or group unity is threatened. Depending on the
> >> >> situation and risk, sometimes discretion is the better course (for
> >> >> instance, to spare the impact upon your children as a minor example;
> >> >> violence or war being more extreme cases).
>
> >> >> But I like you better now that I know you can say you are sorry- I
> >> >> find that beautiful about you.
>
> >> >> On Jun 27, 10:42 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> I am sorry, Molly.
>
> >> >>> I am very sorry, Malcymo.
>
> >> >>> It was a very poor job of pulling your leg out of that constant
> >> >>> apologetic and self-abnegating crouch your posts project you as. It's
> >> >>> very un-American... ref to that very admirable quality of putting
> >> >>> things direct and stating matters without diffidence.
>
> >> >>> Come on man. F... who knows what and who does not.
> >> >>> Let's put it on table : both our answers and questions, in truth,
> >> >>> without preamble or defensive explanations.
>
> >> >>> On Jun 27, 4:47 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> > Why such agitation, Vam?  The group is not going to exist without
> >> >>> > common respect, you of all should understand that.
>
> >> >>> > On Jun 26, 8:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > Malcymo... what is your son's idols ?
>
> >> >>> > > I believe you don't know a shit. If you did, you would have enjoyed
> >> >>> > > entertaining us !
>
> >> >>> > > On Jun 26, 2:36 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > > Feynman, I have always wanted to take him on board. He is, I believe, one
> >> >>> > > > of my son's idols.
>
> >> >>> > > > On Monday, June 25, 2012 11:44:57 PM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > > > Speaking of Feynman, the famous Cornell lecture series, which might be
> >> >>> > > > > quite on topic:
>
> >> >>> > > > >http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html#data=3%7Cd71...
>
> >> >>> > > > > Haven't had time to watch much but he did integrate a lot of humor.
>
> >> >>> > > > > On 6/25/2012 7:22 AM, Molly wrote:
> >> >>> > > > > > Not sure Richard Feynman would have agreed, but ok.  Quantum computing
> >> >>> > > > > > is still being poineered
>
> >> >>> > > > > > On Jun 25, 4:23 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >>> > > > > >> lol  Now we know what you spend your time pondering while you roam the
> >> >>> > > > > >> jungles 6 months at a time..
> >> >>> > > > > >> They are not imaginary but rather real as you can show the effect.
> >> >>> > > > > >> But you must remember americans have not reached the A0, A1, A2, A4 ,,
> >> >>> > > > > >> Their math is still stuck in the archaic age of paper.
> >> >>> > > > > >> Allan
> >> >>> > > > > >> On Jun 25, 2012 8:52 AM, "malcymo"<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> A couple of short mathematical poems for you all:-
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> *Uniformity*
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio 'one by root two'****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> Has powerful acclaim****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> For should one divide one by two****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> The ratio remains****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> This simple fact made foolscap die****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> And paper size mundane.****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> 'A0', 'A1', 'A2', 'A4'****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> When folded look the same.
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> *Numbers Imaginary*
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> * *
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> That damned square root of minus one****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> Does not exist or so they say****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> So let's imagine that it does****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> And give it a name, Call it 'j'.****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> For 'j' to have reality****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> Real things it then must do for me****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> If not it will simply remain,****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> Imaginary in fact and name.****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> ** **
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> 'j' squared times one is minus one****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> So by itself, what must it do,****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> A vector rotation of pi over two?
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> Just sharing, Malc****
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>> On Monday, 25 June 2012 17:27:47 UTC+12, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> That definitely is geometrical but can get very complicated- it's
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> great if it falls into place naturally or easily on a crude 3:5 or
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> 5:8. The Japanese diagonals are a lure- always- so I get into a
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> scramble sometimes- but that's back to perspective. Anyway, this
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> figure is in trouble- it might be 10 years ago I started it- maybe
> >> >>> > > > > 15.
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> Am starting to call her Dizzy Mona. :-)
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Jun 23, 11:53 pm, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> And to think that some mathematical ratios are also aesthetically
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> beautiful. I am thinking of the Golden Ratio in art and the most
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> delightful
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> aspect ratio for a picture or TV screen.
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:26:15 AM UTC+12, pol.science kid wrote:
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> I came accross this article mentioning the fibbonacci series... and
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> the mathematical patterns in nature.. then i wikied it... there
> >> >>> > > > > were
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> too many concepts for me to grasp cos i am not familiar with math
> >> >>> > > > > >>>> that
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> much(i feel now i should do something about it).. it was really
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> amazing for me... specific patterns.. in precison.. makes you
> >> >>> > > > > wonder
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> whether after there is a MIND that contains us... and whether there
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> are accidents indeed?.. i kknow many of you atre science experts..
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> please bulid the discussion as you might.. i would love to know
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> more.... and know what you guys think...- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

Yes- I laughed.//I did the right thing but explained it crudely. If I
were to unwind the whole thing I might as well write fiction! :-) This
was a friendship- not a romance- that has often gone awry. Why?
Because certain comments start building up to present an attitude I
want to avoid but it takes a while for me to "get it". Why? Because of
old habits I was raised with, I guess, prior to women's lib about
confrontation with men and authority figures. Eventually, I react but
it might not be the real reason until I think it through- which drives
some people crazy about the ways of men and women. On the other hand,
I've known wives who edit everything- forever- to keep things safe and
tidy.//I don't care to "adopt" anyone at this point- esp. a 65 year
old dude with some cranky ideas. This is being kind to myself- which
is often harder than one thinks.

On Jun 28, 10:53 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can all use a little kindness, I have a feeling your gut instinct
> rules here. Don't adopt a feral man on my account! lol But.. a little
> scrub and polish may reveal a decent ship, on the cheap, handy-woman
> special. I know my experience is a few leagues lower than many here and
> I wouldn't know how to relate advice if I had any, so I'll belay proving
> my stature. My tact (in person) is usually to show someone how
> indecisive, confused and pensive someone can really get, by trying to
> figure me out their problems seem easier. Someone out there just laughed. :)
>
> Just commiserating about the trusty parts, they do take hell.
>
> On 6/27/2012 12:50 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know if you mean I should be kind or I should expect
> > kindness.Sometimes the truth is not kind and rather than saying I
> > didn't agree with this and that I let it pass- the red flags, I guess-
> > till there was something concrete- although a minute part of the
> > whole. It really isn't about housekeeping or snoring. I think you are
> > trying to help. Thanks.//I'll take the south tower of a medieval
> > castle and work on the tapestry, okay? :-)
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:30 pm, James<ashkas...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> The parts sort of develop a mind of their own! With time one can learn
> >> to face it and interrupt the process by learning about triggers and
> >> their relationship to the past. Mine seems to play out events and taking
> >> everything apart and reassembling in different directions, scenarios,
> >> just have to keep it pointed at constructive problem solving otherwise
> >> the other parts will start responding badly. Yours sounds a little
> >> familiar, not to mine but I won't go there tonight- suffice to say if we
> >> were in your shoes we would appreciate kindness? Sent by  grace
> >> perhaps.. she dreamed I would grow up to be a preacher (a passionate
> >> Southern Baptist no doubt). Heh, that always makes smile.
>
> >> On 6/26/2012 8:23 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >>> Well, thank you  and others for not jumping all over me for
> >>> heartlessness. Of course I have adapted to/cleaned up messes and
> >>> snoring during my lifetime- this recent incident really triggered a
> >>> dramatic response- maybe long overdue and rather than deal with it
> >>> directly I am using the "busy" disappearance routine- also called
> >>> "flight".//Sometimes my heart feels heavy or broken, other times light
> >>> and dancing but my entire body feels various emotional responses-
> >>> however, the adrenal gland or brain would not be much of a metaphor or
> >>> image on greeting cards, would it?
>
> >>> On Jun 26, 4:21 am, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
> >>>> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
> >>>> it. It could be confused with love.
>
> >>>> Malc
>
> >>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
> >>>>> When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
> >>>>> parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
> >>>>> little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
> >>>>> permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
> >>>>> thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
>
> >>>>> But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
> >>>>> too- you sly fox! :)
>
> >>>>> _pleease interpret as jovial_
>
> >>>>> On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> >>>>>> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention.  Our physical
> >>>>>>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
> >>>>>>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
> >>>>>>> regard.  Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
> >>>>>>> are in dynamic relationship.  The become one in paradox.
>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
> >>>>>>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
> >>>>>>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
> >>>>>>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
> >>>>>>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> >>>>>>>>> effect of thought on experience.  Science can measure brain function
> >>>>>>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> >>>>>>>>> what it means to overall health.  There is a state in sleep and
> >>>>>>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> >>>>>>>>> enhanced because of it.
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> >>>>>>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> >>>>>>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
> >>>>>>>>>> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
> >>>>>>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
> >>>>> pervades
> >>>>>>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
> >>>>> One
> >>>>>>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
> >>>>> (the
> >>>>>>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if
> >>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> >>>>>>>>>>> optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
> >>>>>>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> >>>>>>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
> >>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>> inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> >>>>>>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without
> >>>>> thinking.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> >>>>>>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
> >>>>> far
> >>>>>>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> >>>>>>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
> >>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
> >>>>> it..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
> >>>>> climate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
> >>>>> temperate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> >>>>>>>>>>>> areas...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book
> >>>>> (80%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
> >>>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can
> >>>>> usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't
> >>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
> >>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting
> >>>>> if not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
> >>>>>    MORGAN 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES
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Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

We can all use a little kindness, I have a feeling your gut instinct
rules here. Don't adopt a feral man on my account! lol But.. a little
scrub and polish may reveal a decent ship, on the cheap, handy-woman
special. I know my experience is a few leagues lower than many here and
I wouldn't know how to relate advice if I had any, so I'll belay proving
my stature. My tact (in person) is usually to show someone how
indecisive, confused and pensive someone can really get, by trying to
figure me out their problems seem easier. Someone out there just laughed. :)

Just commiserating about the trusty parts, they do take hell.

On 6/27/2012 12:50 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
> I don't know if you mean I should be kind or I should expect
> kindness.Sometimes the truth is not kind and rather than saying I
> didn't agree with this and that I let it pass- the red flags, I guess-
> till there was something concrete- although a minute part of the
> whole. It really isn't about housekeeping or snoring. I think you are
> trying to help. Thanks.//I'll take the south tower of a medieval
> castle and work on the tapestry, okay? :-)
>
> On Jun 26, 10:30 pm, James<ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The parts sort of develop a mind of their own! With time one can learn
>> to face it and interrupt the process by learning about triggers and
>> their relationship to the past. Mine seems to play out events and taking
>> everything apart and reassembling in different directions, scenarios,
>> just have to keep it pointed at constructive problem solving otherwise
>> the other parts will start responding badly. Yours sounds a little
>> familiar, not to mine but I won't go there tonight- suffice to say if we
>> were in your shoes we would appreciate kindness? Sent by grace
>> perhaps.. she dreamed I would grow up to be a preacher (a passionate
>> Southern Baptist no doubt). Heh, that always makes smile.
>>
>> On 6/26/2012 8:23 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, thank you and others for not jumping all over me for
>>> heartlessness. Of course I have adapted to/cleaned up messes and
>>> snoring during my lifetime- this recent incident really triggered a
>>> dramatic response- maybe long overdue and rather than deal with it
>>> directly I am using the "busy" disappearance routine- also called
>>> "flight".//Sometimes my heart feels heavy or broken, other times light
>>> and dancing but my entire body feels various emotional responses-
>>> however, the adrenal gland or brain would not be much of a metaphor or
>>> image on greeting cards, would it?
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 4:21 am, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
>>>> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
>>>> it. It could be confused with love.
>>
>>>> Malc
>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
>>>>> When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
>>>>> parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
>>>>> little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
>>>>> permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
>>>>> thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
>>
>>>>> But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
>>>>> too- you sly fox! :)
>>
>>>>> _pleease interpret as jovial_
>>
>>>>> On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention. Our physical
>>>>>>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
>>>>>>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
>>>>>>> regard. Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
>>>>>>> are in dynamic relationship. The become one in paradox.
>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
>>>>>>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
>>>>>>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
>>>>>>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
>>>>>>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
>>>>>>>>> effect of thought on experience. Science can measure brain function
>>>>>>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
>>>>>>>>> what it means to overall health. There is a state in sleep and
>>>>>>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
>>>>>>>>> enhanced because of it.
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
>>>>>>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
>>>>>>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level as to be insignificant ,
>>>>>>>>>> and if you kill the brain even awareness which is the spiritual
>>>>>>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
>>>>> pervades
>>>>>>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
>>>>> One
>>>>>>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.) It's kind of like asking if
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
>>>>>>>>>>> climate. At some point in our development, because the human being
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
>>>>>>>>>>> optimal health. And, at some point in our development, we may
>>>>>>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
>>>>>>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> inside out. Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
>>>>>>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
>>>>>>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> answers. Our mind thinks. We can live and breathe without
>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
>>>>>>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
>>>>>>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
>>>>>>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
>>>>> it..
>>>>>>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
>>>>>>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
>>>>> temperate
>>>>>>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
>>>>>>>>>>>> areas...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable. These moral issues form the core of my new book
>>>>> (80%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done). Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
>>>>> reference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew. You can
>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything. You can't
>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable. The following were examples, exhausting
>>>>> if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices) KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
>>>>> MORGAN 1979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING WITTGENSTEIN1922
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES WITTGENSTEIN 1958
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES JAMES1911
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALTERNATE REALITIES CASTANEDA 1970; 1974
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE STRUCTURES WHORF 1956
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEMATICS ALTHUSSER 1969; BACHELARD 1949
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTERNALLY CONFLICTING WORLD VIEWS PIRSIG 1976
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORLD HYPOTHESES PEPPER 1942; 1966
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DREAM WORLDS (multiple frameworks) FEYERABEND 1975
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVALUATING THE RATIONALITIES OF SOCIAL ACTION AND ACTION
>>>>> SYSTEMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (instrumental v life-world rationalities) HABERMAS 1984
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN INSURRECTION OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGES IN A WEB OF POWER KNOWLEDGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOUCAULT 1977; 1980
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODAL LOGICS, RELATIVITIES LEWIS 1926; 1929; 1946: MOSER
>>>>> 1989
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPECULATIVE PHILOSOPHY WHITEHEAD 1969
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> METAPHOR MORGAN 1986
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TWO DIRECTIONAL TEXT AND RETRO-VISION BURRELL 1997
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A classic example was held to be Newton's mechanics and
>>>>> Einstein's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum theory. Very dense work by Snell and
>>>>> Ludvig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disproves this IMHO. I take a similar view and believe the
>>>>> problem is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we work in the ready-to-hand and don't get down deep enough to
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we are talking about. English Law does not allow the
>>>>> cabin boy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be eaten to survive when all else is lost - you have to give
>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same shake of the dice everyone else gets.
>>
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