Mind's Eye Re: Radical banking

It is also bribery by entitlements for votes-overextended bureaucracy-
degradation of work and nobly acquired wealth/property- theft by
redistribution- loopholes- uncivil politics- false standards and
aspirations- etc. How do you define work?

On Oct 30, 7:36 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A waiter in Rome explained where the 100 Euros our meal for two went -
> there were three tiers of owners before he talked about tax!  Very
> little of our money is invested in productive organisation rigsy - as
> low as 15%.  The rest is in a bloat system to do with speculation on
> very ordinary stuff like our houses and property - even this would be
> OK if the financiers weren't dipping this aspect of our collective
> wallet.  My guess is the real cause of current problems is the
> detachment of work from wealth and some general problems similar to
> the waiter's complaint on the number of rents to pay.
> Current thinking has most of the bloat system as a Ponzi scheme based
> on inflation replacing new investor money in the traditional scheme or
> pyramid.  The Japanese went into it long before we did because of land
> restrictions.  It was the mid-eighties when I was there and people
> were buying options on as yet and never to be built golf courses and
> mortgages were often three generations long.
>
> The big economics term is 'rent' - but this really means 'accumulated
> rip-off privilege' (or idlers) as in the waiter's complaint.  Some
> companies I worked for were so dumb they didn't even do overnight
> banking - though one notes the banks were smart enough not to offer it
> and take the profit themselves.  Economics is like trying to do
> biology from Aristotle - stuck in the non-modern.  It would be
> interesting to take Don's (say) views I mostly agree with apart - our
> system is not based on such sound sense - it just pretends to be.  We
> all lack the facts that would make for really practical discussion.
> We could have banking without rich bankers - you could soon manipulate
> the spreadsheets I use - the problem is you/we can't get the data that
> matters because it's already over-theorised to somewhere south of
> Hell.  I have never found the work as complex as my role in getting a
> bit of a ship built.
>
> In the end, my suspicion is economics really is war by other means and
> we are too scared to form a system that is honest.  We cope with
> phlogiston theory instead.  Unless I find some new work in the next
> couple of months I'll be working with Saudis - 99% of that will be
> wasted!
>
> On 26 Oct, 14:28, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What about radical spending/debt? What about the non-reward for
> > saving?
>
> > Lawns should be outlawed and probably will be when clean water is
> > precious and rare. I refuse to make coffee from recycled urine or
> > other recycled waste water but...the spirit is willing but the flesh
> > is weak.
>
> > On Oct 23, 7:13 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Banking is estimated to contribute between 8 and 14% of UK GDP.  It
> > > will be smaller in most other countries, but is still held to be
> > > vital.  I doubt the figures but this doesn't really matter  At 14%
> > > banking matches manufacturing contribution in the UK.
>
> > > In a business account we always want to reduce bank charges to a
> > > minimum.  Financial services are a cost to be reduced to minimum.  I
> > > can never see why we have fallen for the idea that moving money around
> > > has anything to do with a productive economy.  We would hardly
> > > organise hard work like clearing farm land by matching the number of
> > > us breaking our backs with a similar number of bankers sitting in
> > > armchairs.
>
> > > I tend to think banking is just a front for organised thieving.  We
> > > cut out all kinds of management and jobs in manufacturing and it's
> > > hard to see how piling bank buildings high with staff makes any
> > > sense.  In science we generally try to reduce resources going into
> > > control to a minimum.  We need some radical ideas on how Al Capone is
> > > getting away with all the banking going on.  My guess is banking is
> > > really just a tax mechanism we don't get to vote for.- Hide quoted text -
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You are all very sweet to wish me well but I am safely nestled in
America's belly. I will join your collective wishes for the east coast
as it is ruinous and very sad to track.//Catching up: the fall lawn
clean-up and cut backs were the best ever- hope the snow service is
the same later on. My daughter has scared me with visions of a sugar
plum Christmas she remembers from her childhood forgetting that she
has abscounded with most all the decorations- even to the cookie
cutters! We'll work it out. Have been getting bedrooms and kitchen in
gear for the holidays so there isn't a last minute rush/heart attack.
This house is a riot- but that is another topic. A couple invitations-
will go to one- a baby shower. Exit the momastery! And yes, Gabby, was
thinking of the warm sun during these cloudy days and cold nights. Saw
myself sitting in the desert- very strange. Love to all- be safe.

On Oct 30, 7:53 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy.  In Detroit we have Sandy's wind and a
> bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC.  thinking of you with love.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
> > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall  that must be a bitch.
> > Allan
>
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had
> > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long
> > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the
> > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc.  There was
> > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever.  I got the
> > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give
> > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at
> > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
> > >> terms).  Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m.
> > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds.  The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off
> > >> and a week would have bankrupted us.  Flight home was delayed by an
> > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
> > >> plane.  Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
> > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work
> > >> scars the soul.
> > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home
> > >> hobbling on a blister.
>
> > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to
> > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy
> > >> required to maintain an organ and so on.  Our brains and even memory
> > >> need justification in energy terms.  Much of my own interest in the
> > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these
> > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its
> > >> 'arms races'.  My own guess for a long time has been we need to
> > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
> > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
> > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
> > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
> > >> jail.  Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
> > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
>
> > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star
> > >> Trek touches the fringes.  We might, very un-art, start by wondering
> > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
>
> > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
> > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I
> > see
> > >>> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else
> > where.
> > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
> > >>> > violating those rules.
> > >>> > Allan
>
> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
> > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
> > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it
> > in
> > >>> >> your life that makes you being different?
>
> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a
> > level
> > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are
> > imbued with
> > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>
> > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses
> > never
> > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
> > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
> > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they
> > have
> > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>
> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male
> > and
> > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
> > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was.
> > However, I
> > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for
> > insurance.//
> > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human
> > nature
> > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere
> > mortals.
>
> > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were
> > coming
> > >>> >>>> >> from!
>
> > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
> > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am
> > aware that I
> > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account
> > for
> > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <
> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also
> > true.
> > >>> >>>> >> > However
> > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my
> > stance that we
> > >>> >>>> >> > all
> > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a
> > wholly
> > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only
> > time will
> > >>> >>>> >> > tell.
> > >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years
> > old.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison
> > time for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What
> > harmony under
> > >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make
> > god(s)
> > >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various
> > value
> > >>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control.
> > Presently, we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which
> > accounts
> > >>> >>>> >> >> for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct
> > creatures
> > >>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism  atheism holds
> > little
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > but
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes
> > would be
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > totally
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > different..   Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance
> > is a
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over
> > come..
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > those
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is
> > the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,,  the problems I see come
> > from man
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down
> > through the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > generations ..  It seems these changes are really
> > designed to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > benefit
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even
> > with in
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > nature
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > Allan
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <
> > ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown
> > territory, we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > have a
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must
> > evolve if we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > wish
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles
> > heel
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so
> > sure
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit
> > a niche
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > in
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > nature,
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much
> > less to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > say on
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > God
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so.
> > In the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act
> > so to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > speak.
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and
> > cultural
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have
>
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Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy.  In Detroit we have Sandy's wind and a bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC.  thinking of you with love.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
heard WV had over a meter of snow fall  that must be a bitch.
Allan

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had
> done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long
>> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the
>> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc.  There was
>> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever.  I got the
>> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give
>> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at
>> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
>> terms).  Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m.
>> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds.  The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off
>> and a week would have bankrupted us.  Flight home was delayed by an
>> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
>> plane.  Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
>> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work
>> scars the soul.
>> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home
>> hobbling on a blister.
>>
>> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to
>> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy
>> required to maintain an organ and so on.  Our brains and even memory
>> need justification in energy terms.  Much of my own interest in the
>> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these
>> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its
>> 'arms races'.  My own guess for a long time has been we need to
>> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
>> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
>> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
>> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
>> jail.  Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
>> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
>>
>> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star
>> Trek touches the fringes.  We might, very un-art, start by wondering
>> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
>>
>> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
>>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see
>>> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else where.
>>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
>>> > violating those rules.
>>> > Allan
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
>>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
>>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in
>>> >> your life that makes you being different?
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level
>>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are imbued with
>>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>>>
>>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never
>>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
>>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
>>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have
>>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and
>>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
>>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I
>>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.//
>>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature
>>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals.
>>>
>>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming
>>> >>>> >> from!
>>>
>>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
>>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
>>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
>>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.
>>> >>>> >> > However
>>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my stance that we
>>> >>>> >> > all
>>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
>>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will
>>> >>>> >> > tell.
>>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
>>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
>>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
>>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
>>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
>>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts
>>> >>>> >> >> for
>>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
>>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism  atheism holds little
>>> >>>> >> >> > but
>>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be
>>> >>>> >> >> > totally
>>> >>>> >> >> > different..   Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
>>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come..
>>> >>>> >> >> > those
>>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the
>>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism
>>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,,  the problems I see come from man
>>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
>>> >>>> >> >> > generations ..  It seems these changes are really designed to
>>> >>>> >> >> > benefit
>>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in
>>> >>>> >> >> > nature
>>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
>>> >>>> >> >> > Allan
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we
>>> >>>> >> >> > > have a
>>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we
>>> >>>> >> >> > > wish
>>> >>>> >> >> > > to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
>>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure
>>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
>>> >>>> >> >> > > for
>>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche
>>> >>>> >> >> > > in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > nature,
>>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > say on
>>> >>>> >> >> > > God
>>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
>>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of
>>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
>>> >>>> >> >> > > speak.
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
>>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
>>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
>>> >>>> >> >> > > advancements
>>> >>>> >> >> > > but I
>>> >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a
>>> >>>> >> >> > > 'destination
>>> >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
>>> >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it
>>> >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?!
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > the
>>> >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in
>>> >>>> >> >> > > our
>>> >>>> >> >> > > equations.
>>> >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> apart..  it
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up..  It
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> seems
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> and can
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures  so there is hope as to maintain
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> the
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> same
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> ideas.  so I think that there us a very real possibility that
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> common
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected  it is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> called
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Allan
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> things
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> about from
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     our particular species POV, I question how useful such
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     would be.  I think the most logical deduction we could make
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> is to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     speculation, given that our current understanding of
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> universal
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> totality
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     speculative conclusions.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet?  I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> suppose
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     otherwise also.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     Would then non carbon life forms form different morality
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> than
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> carbon
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     based life forms?  Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know'
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> for
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> this
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> would
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> have
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     to agree with Allan.
>>>
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> Trying
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     recompense different religions with this single message is
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> hard.
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> I
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> claim
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind
>>> >>>> >> >> > >> for his
>>> >>>> >> >> > >>     own nefarious ends(Christianity for example).  So
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
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