Re: Mind's Eye Constructor Theory Thinking

The key thing, benefit or horror, is what Marx called 'the embodiment
of knowledge' in machines. On another side of that, when I was an
undergraduate I a
was in group less than 4% of the population. Now the plan is t have
50% of the population graduate. Does anyone really believe the
correct or achievable ratio of highly skilled to grunt is 1 : 1?
On 1 Dec, 13:30, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We are also dependent and trapped by machines and have lost many basic
> skills in the process. Machines are our answer to slave and serf
> labor.
>
> On Nov 30, 4:21 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
> > The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
> > could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
> > by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
> > superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
> > software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
> > the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
> > his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
> > live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
> > terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
> > experience lives on.
>
> > On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > > Neil if you were in the position of God..   Would you provide
> > > unlimited knowledge to humanity?  You have to look at how knowledge
> > > has been handled till now.  the rules are well known ..I think
> > > selfishness is a very dominate trait ..  therein  lies a problem..
> > > Are we discarded as a mistake,,  no  it may seem that way individuals
> > > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> > > reactions.
>
> > > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> > > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> > > you see the situation.     Now how you respond to your life is your
> > > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> > > determines your status in the great mandala..
>
> > > What a person believes is actually of little importance..  How you
> > > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> > > extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > > > a discarded mistake.
>
> > > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> > > >> religious beliefs..  that comes down to do souls exist  and the
> > > >> origine of souls..  My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> > > >> ideas.
> > > >> Allan
>
> > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
> > > Allan.
>
> > > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> > > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> > > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> > > >> >> interesting comparison:
> > > >> >> Allan
>
> > > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
> > > hive
> > > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
> > > instance,
> > > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
> > > butt
> > > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
> > > location
> > > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
> > > extraordinary
> > > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> > > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> > > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> > > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
> > > over
> > > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft.  In
> > > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
> > > worker
> > > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
> > > Biology,
> > > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
> > > abilities
> > > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> > > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> > > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
> > > dolphin's
> > > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
> > > honeybee
> > > >> >> > manages.
>
> > > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> > > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> > > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
> > > brain of
> > > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
> > > said
> > > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
> > > and
> > > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
> > > bumbling
> > > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
> > > investigating
> > > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
> > > of
> > > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> > > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
> > > foragers
> > > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
> > > when
> > > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> > > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> > > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> > > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
> > > for
> > > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
> > > signs
> > > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
> > > just
> > > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> > > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>
> > > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
> > > not
> > > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating!  Old cops would appear a couple
> > > of
> > > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> > > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end.  My scientist colleagues nearly
> > > all
> > > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry.  The experiments with mice involve
> > > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
> > > tissues
> > > >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>
> > > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
> > > what it
> > > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch!  I shall go back.
>
> > > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
> > >  Seen
> > > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
> > > overlap.
> > > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
> > > spinning.
> > > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> > > >> >> >> rational discussion.  Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> > > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8!  It
> > > now
> > > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>
> > > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
> > > this!) to
> > > >> >> >> let news spin.
>
> > > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
> > > which
> > > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
> > > dendrites to
> > > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
> > > grains of
> > > >> >> >> > sand.
>
> > > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
> > > Architecture
>
> > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>
> > > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
> > > working in
> > > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
> > > years ago
> > > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
> > > available
> > > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>
> > > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
> > > memex
> > > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>
> > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>
> > > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>
> > > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
> > > by wasp
> > > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>
> > > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
> > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>
> > > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
> > > recognition to keep
> > > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.
> > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>
> > > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
> > > a bit
> > > >> >> >> > > of  splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
> > > with an
> > > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark).  One possibility is that we don't
> > > know how
> > > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially.  I
> > > rather
> > > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
> > > other
> > > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it.  Stuff like Skydrive
> > > (which
> > > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
>
> > ...
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Re: Mind's Eye Instinct for survival

Thank you, Archy. What kind of fiddly stuff? I am frustrated by your
diet but it's none of my business.

On Nov 29, 10:26 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to know your eyes are better rigs - I'm frustrated by my
> inability to do close-up fiddly stuff.
>
> On 30 Nov, 02:56, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ah- Mother Russia. I am close to the end of Anna K.- forgot it was 950
> > pp though I've read it twice before- maybe in twenty year intervals so
> > the story reads differently each time. Quite possibly the greatest
> > novel of all time, I believe. Anyway, my eye is doing well though I
> > need another week of drops as the doc missed a tiny speck to remove
> > and somehow I've had a "myoptic correction" and my vision is 20/20!
> > Speaking of "fellowship" I had an odd call today from some scam artist
> > pretending to be my grandson needing money. His voice was a dead
> > giveaway to NY or New Jersey as we don't speak like that in the
> > midwest. I declined his request and called the police but they weren't
> > interested as long as I didn't send money and I guess they have real
> > work to do. :-) So this dude craves loot and others crave other things
> > and a good deal of human cravings have nothing to do with our
> > understanding of god, religion, country, society, art & science, etc.
> > Back to the idea of the instinct for survival in spite of the sureness
> > of our death, my personal feeling that the best we can do is to try to
> > live a moral life as best we can correcting ourselves as we stumble
> > and learn and those paths are numerous as one can not fault a monk or
> > contemplative, can one?
>
> > On Nov 29, 6:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > At least you have soul Al - perhaps in the Russian sense.  RP is not
> > > without in that sense either.  It's hard to be inter-subjective about
> > > god a a formulation though we seem to crave fellowship.
>
> > > On 29 Nov, 23:05, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I doubt I am a great soul, though I have spent years contemplating the idea.
> > > > Allan
>
> > > > Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
> > > > On Nov 29, 2012 9:11 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Allan , carefully reading all the' trash' that you spew out makes me
> > > > > wonder ...maybe you are the greatest soul wrapped in a human body.
>
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > My apologies RP,  due to what I consider trash I don't waste my time
> > > > > > carefully reading what you write..
>
> > > > > > Now I am wondering the origin of this vision..  ;o)  I am waiting to
> > > > > read.
> > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>         me (RP Singh change)    Post reply
>
> > > > > >> 4/26/10
> > > > > >> [Mind's Eye] Re: God and I
>
> > > > > >> Consciousness has to do with the senses and the sense-objects. Sight,
> > > > > >> hearing, etc. I see a door as grey in colour and at  a distance of 25
> > > > > >> yards from me, does God see    it as grey in colour and at a distance.
> > > > > >> No God is immanent in the door, he is the grey colour, he is the
> > > > > >> door , he is the distance and he is me ,the observer. God is in
> > > > > >> everything and is thus all-pervading , he is in every will and is
> > > > > >> therefore  the real doer,  he is in all beings and non-beings and is
> > > > > >> therefore omniscient.
>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> gee I never read any thing by RP saying that God is the totality of
> > > > > >>> every thing..
> > > > > >>> Allan
>
> > > > > >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>> Heh okay then, RP and myself share the belife that God is the totaliy
> > > > > of
> > > > > >>>> everything, although we differ on some things we can at least agree
> > > > > on this.
>
> > > > > >>>> We Sikhs would express it thusly: 'Ik onkar, sat naam'  losely
> > > > > translated as
> > > > > >>>> '1God, true name'.  Now True Name, what does that mean?  God's name
> > > > > is true,
> > > > > >>>> or truth?  Or perhaps that God is true/truth?
>
> > > > > >>>> Personaly I would explain it this way.  Before the begining, there
> > > > > was only
> > > > > >>>> God, but God in spirt, God said (to steal form the Bible) 'Let there
> > > > > >>>> be.....' and thus the creation was created.  Matter from the spirt of
> > > > > God.
> > > > > >>>> Thus the totality of the universe is God, the reality is God and the
> > > > > truth
> > > > > >>>> is God.  I heard it expressed just yesterday that God was Anaam
> > > > > (Nameless)
> > > > > >>>> and by atributing Naam to Godself the creation came into being.  Not
> > > > > too far
> > > > > >>>> removed from the Hindu concept of Om I suppose.
>
> > > > > >>>> On Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:53:13 UTC, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>>> I would know if it was different, if i understood what you meant,
> > > > > Lee!
> > > > > >>>>> Circling forwards in loops, arent we?
>
> > > > > >>>>> Am 29.11.2012 15:02 schrieb "Lee Douglas" <leerev...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > > >>>> --
>
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >>>  (
> > > > > >>>   )
> > > > > >>> |_D Allan
>
> > > > > >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > > >>>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > > >>> --
>
> > > > > >> --
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >  (
> > > > > >   )
> > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > > > >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > > > > > --
>
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Re: Mind's Eye Constructor Theory Thinking

We are also dependent and trapped by machines and have lost many basic
skills in the process. Machines are our answer to slave and serf
labor.

On Nov 30, 4:21 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
> The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
> could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
> by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
> superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
> software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
> the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
> his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
> live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
> terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
> experience lives on.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > Neil if you were in the position of God..   Would you provide
> > unlimited knowledge to humanity?  You have to look at how knowledge
> > has been handled till now.  the rules are well known ..I think
> > selfishness is a very dominate trait ..  therein  lies a problem..
> > Are we discarded as a mistake,,  no  it may seem that way individuals
> > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> > reactions.
>
> > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> > you see the situation.     Now how you respond to your life is your
> > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> > determines your status in the great mandala..
>
> > What a person believes is actually of little importance..  How you
> > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> > extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> > Allan
>
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > > a discarded mistake.
>
> > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> > >> religious beliefs..  that comes down to do souls exist  and the
> > >> origine of souls..  My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> > >> ideas.
> > >> Allan
>
> > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
> > Allan.
>
> > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> > >> >> interesting comparison:
> > >> >> Allan
>
> > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
> > hive
> > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
> > instance,
> > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
> > butt
> > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
> > location
> > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
> > extraordinary
> > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
> > over
> > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft.  In
> > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
> > worker
> > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
> > Biology,
> > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
> > abilities
> > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
> > dolphin's
> > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
> > honeybee
> > >> >> > manages.
>
> > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
> > brain of
> > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
> > said
> > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
> > and
> > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
> > bumbling
> > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
> > investigating
> > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
> > of
> > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
> > foragers
> > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
> > when
> > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
> > for
> > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
> > signs
> > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
> > just
> > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>
> > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
> > not
> > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating!  Old cops would appear a couple
> > of
> > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end.  My scientist colleagues nearly
> > all
> > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry.  The experiments with mice involve
> > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
> > tissues
> > >> >> > surrounding neurons.
>
> > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
> > what it
> > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch!  I shall go back.
>
> > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
> >  Seen
> > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
> > overlap.
> > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
> > spinning.
> > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> > >> >> >> rational discussion.  Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8!  It
> > now
> > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
>
> > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
> > this!) to
> > >> >> >> let news spin.
>
> > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
> > which
> > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
> > dendrites to
> > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
> > grains of
> > >> >> >> > sand.
>
> > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
> > Architecture
>
> >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
>
> > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
> > working in
> > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
> > years ago
> > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
> > available
> > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
>
> > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
> > memex
> > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
>
> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
>
> > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
>
> > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
> > by wasp
> > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
>
> > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
>
> > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
> > recognition to keep
> > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
>
> > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
> > a bit
> > >> >> >> > > of  splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
> > with an
> > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark).  One possibility is that we don't
> > know how
> > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially.  I
> > rather
> > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
> > other
> > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it.  Stuff like Skydrive
> > (which
> > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
>
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