I can read english gabby and I do understand it..
Allan
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:52 AM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please, Allan. YOU are replying in accordance with what YOU understand that
> RP says. The result of long and many years of 'What do YOU think?'
> trainings. Motives are generated by unconscious and conscious factors, along
> the scales of gratification and avoidance of suffering - for ourselves and
> our environment.
>
> 2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
>>
>> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
>> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
>> in which you believe..
>>
>> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
>> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
>> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
>> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
>> have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
>>
>> Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
>> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious
>> > and
>> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
>> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive
>> > sex
>> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
>> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
>> > our
>> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives ?
>> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware
>> > even
>> > though they are the real determinants of our actions.
>> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
>> > are
>> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
>> > freely.
>> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by unconscious
>> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously we
>> > are
>> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we can
>> > be
>> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
>> > evaporates into thin air !
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
>>
>> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
>> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
>> in which you believe..
>>
>> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
>> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
>> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
>> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
>> have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
>>
>> Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
>> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious
>> > and
>> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
>> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive
>> > sex
>> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
>> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
>> > our
>> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives ?
>> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware
>> > even
>> > though they are the real determinants of our actions.
>> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
>> > are
>> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
>> > freely.
>> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by unconscious
>> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously we
>> > are
>> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we can
>> > be
>> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
>> > evaporates into thin air !
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
--
(
)
|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..
--
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The conscious self image is still subject to circumstances. Free,
divested of conscience, in authority. Short of emancipation a bit?
I caught a nasty chest flu around the 23rd, chills and fever a few
nights in a row. Haven't had a smoke since, been smoking for fifteen
years, mostly over a pack a day. Everything is foggy, not feeling
myself, it started during the fever. It actually started in early
December when mom called crying, that time of the year too.
I am seeing shifts in the unconscious and feel unfamiliar, maybe it is
normal. The 'phantom' is the illusion of self right?
On 1/2/2013 12:31 PM, RP Singh wrote:
> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious
> and one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness
> is ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong
> instinctive sex drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious
> motives ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not
> even aware even though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If
> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our
> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So
> , the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air !
>
> --
>
>
>
--
divested of conscience, in authority. Short of emancipation a bit?
I caught a nasty chest flu around the 23rd, chills and fever a few
nights in a row. Haven't had a smoke since, been smoking for fifteen
years, mostly over a pack a day. Everything is foggy, not feeling
myself, it started during the fever. It actually started in early
December when mom called crying, that time of the year too.
I am seeing shifts in the unconscious and feel unfamiliar, maybe it is
normal. The 'phantom' is the illusion of self right?
On 1/2/2013 12:31 PM, RP Singh wrote:
> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious
> and one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness
> is ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong
> instinctive sex drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for
> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious
> motives ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not
> even aware even though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we
> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand
> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by
> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If
> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our
> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So
> , the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air !
>
> --
>
>
>
--
Please, Allan. YOU are replying in accordance with what YOU understand that RP says. The result of long and many years of 'What do YOU think?' trainings. Motives are generated by unconscious and conscious factors, along the scales of gratification and avoidance of suffering - for ourselves and our environment.
2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
in which you believe..
Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
Allan
--
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and
> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex
> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for our
> behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives ?
> Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware even
> though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we are
> free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand freely.
> So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by unconscious
> determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously we are
> selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we can be
> judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
> evaporates into thin air !
>
> --
>
>
>
(
)
|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..
--
2013/1/2 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or
latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god
in which you believe..
Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have
permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission
and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think
you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not
have to do that .. you can believe as you want..
Oh well discussions with you go no where,,
Allan
--
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real
> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and
> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is
> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex
> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them.
> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for our
> behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives ?
> Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware even
> though they are the real determinants of our actions.
> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we are
> free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand freely.
> So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by unconscious
> determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously we are
> selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we can be
> judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage
> evaporates into thin air !
>
> --
>
>
>
(
)
|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..
--
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