Been a while since I was swept along like that rigs. I often hope
universal mind could be like that, even in mad scientist guise that we
might be able to build something to attract it. I feel very separated
from the world at the moment - only in the sense that television news
(media generally) hits me as an irrelevant blank. Food used to be a
bit like that when I could do intellectual work. I wasn't built to
dance on anything except mud - so I'm lucky rugby was a winter sport
when I played and had somewhere to make my rituals public.
On 22 Apr, 14:10, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hard as it is, art should be separated from the character and behavior
> of the artist but this is not always easy. Heard the third act of
> "Siegfried" on the radio Saturday and was swept along helplessly.
> Wagner invades the entire body/soul- a conquest. The plot- love/death-
> disappears--that is the danger.//Dance may have started with the
> stealth of the hunt> religious rituals> Greek drama, of course plus
> there are matings and harems to consider. A chorus line of concubines?
>
> On Apr 3, 3:17 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Respecting boundaries was not Wagner's thing. Transgression he took in
> > his stride – stealing other men's wives when he needed them, spending
> > other people's money without worrying too much about paying it back –
> > while artistically his ambitions knew no bounds. There is something
> > awe-inspiring about his productivity under hostile conditions, the
> > way, though living on the breadline, he turned out masterpieces when
> > there was no reasonable prospect of any of them being performed:
> > gigantic works, pushing singers and musicians to the limits of their
> > technique, and taking music itself to the edges of its known universe.
> > Theft; the breaking of vows, promises and contracts; seduction,
> > adultery, incest, disobedience, defiance of the gods, daring to ask
> > the one forbidden question, the renunciation of love for power,
> > genital self-mutilation as the price of magic: Wagner's work is
> > everywhere preoccupied with boundaries set and overstepped, limits
> > reached and exceeded. 'Wagnerian' has passed into our language as a
> > byword for the exorbitant, the over-scaled and the interminable.
>
> > Wagner has kept me awake at night. Sleepless, I turn my thoughts to
> > Tristan und Isolde, Wagner's most extreme work and the plus ultra of
> > love stories, and I notice a kinship between aspects of Tristan and
> > Isolde's passion and the experience of a certain kind of insomnia. The
> > second act of Tristan und Isolde is Romanticism's greatest hymn to the
> > night, not for the elfin charm and ethereal chiaroscuro of moonbeams
> > and starlight, the territory of Chopin and Debussy, but night as a
> > close bosom-friend of oblivion, a simulacrum of eternity and a place
> > to play dead. Insomnia is a refusal to cross the boundary between
> > waking and sleeping, a bid to outwit Terminus by hiding away in
> > 'soundless dark', a zone beyond time. As garlic is to vampires, so
> > clocks are to insomniacs, not because they tell of how much sleep has
> > been missed, but because they bring the next day nearer. As Philip
> > Larkin, poet of limits, knew so well, sleep has the one big
> > disadvantage that we wake up from it: 'In time the curtain edges will
> > grow light,' he wrote in 'Aubade', bringing 'Unresting death, a whole
> > day nearer now'. For Tristan and Isolde, too, night must not give way
> > to day, not for the trivial reason that day will end their love-
> > making, but because dawn brings death one day nearer. They must stay
> > awake, for to sleep is to allow the night to pass, to awake from the
> > night is to live and to live is to die. And when, inevitably, day
> > dawns, they have only one recourse. To Tristan and Isolde, in their
> > delirium, it seems that by dying they will preserve their love for
> > ever: by dying, they will defy death.
>
> > 'Utter rot' the scientist in me says, knowing science is a product of
> > madness that can be demonstrated. Wagner is bad for us. And I think
> > to science again - the science that dares to tell us the table is
> > mostly nothing, with nothing curved space, unseen forces, the
> > individual not Jack or Jill of thought in Idol boundaries.
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Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion. Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re view from/at the grassroots.
2013/4/24 rigs <rigs117@gmail.com>
We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to late
> to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line thir
> pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so much
> money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
>
>
>
>
> > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many would
> > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > characters
> > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > very
> > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an election
> > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned Britain
> > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace, Maggie!
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > stalwart
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent destruction of
> > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > conservative
> > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > over here
> > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and expanding
> > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our elected
> > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and there's
> > > > > almost
> > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > when
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is blissfully
> > > > > unaware
> > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses. The
> > Iron
> > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > ignored
> > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > different
> > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > chance to
> > > > > air
> > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction to
> > his
> > > > > first
> > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would have
> > applied
> > > > > to
> > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to having debates and discussions
> > with hairy
> > > > > > old men she must have seemed a Goddess.
>
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No it is well documented that private wealth does not create honest politicians,, we are documenting that daily..and world wide.. scientist are workinging at curing the ills of mankind it is the greed of corporation and the people that run them that prevent it,,
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to late
> to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line thir
> pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so much
> money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
>
>
>
>
> > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many would
> > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > characters
> > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > very
> > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an election
> > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned Britain
> > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace, Maggie!
>
> > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > stalwart
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent destruction of
> > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > conservative
> > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > over here
> > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and expanding
> > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our elected
> > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and there's
> > > > > almost
> > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > when
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is blissfully
> > > > > unaware
> > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses. The
> > Iron
> > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > ignored
> > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > different
> > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > chance to
> > > > > air
> > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction to
> > his
> > > > > first
> > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would have
> > applied
> > > > > to
> > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to having debates and discussions
> > with hairy
> > > > > > old men she must have seemed a Goddess.
>
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