Re: Mind's Eye Re: Free will

Once in 11th class the reverend who taught us maths called the brightest boy in the class and asked him to solve a geometry problem on the blackboard. The boy solved it but I stood up and said, " Brother, I don't understand." The reverend looked at me and coolly said, " I can't give you understanding".

Thus it happens sometimes, we are unable to understand the other person's viewpoint .

On Tue 19 Feb, 2019, 6:44 AM <allanh1946@gmail.com wrote:

RP ,, I would listen to Vam. Many of us come from a different culture and are not Hindu. I find it personally fascinating the beliefs of others. I am not interested in converting some one to my view point, I must admit I like pushing buttons.
Like Vam my health is failing . I have learned a great deal from him over the years. I have received far more than I have. Our view points on reincarnation are similar they are different.
You would be wise to listen to him.. he knows your culture far better than I ever could .
 Personally I have been very  great full for the knowledge he has shared freely
 

Do No Harm

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From: Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Free will

I am thinking with freedom, my friend, but you seem to have a prejudiced notion that I am not. Further let Neil speak for himself, if you have a problem I am ready to heed it.

On Mon 18 Feb, 2019, 9:12 PM Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com wrote:

RP, I sense that the quality of your posts will lead to better conversation when you understand that Neil is neither denying nor disputing the spiritual dimension in human affairs.

He is just focused on the affairs becoming better, with more freedom and leisure enough for men to think for themselves.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Free will

I DO NOT accept in the least the purpose behind such argumentation.

Let me state : If I really want to walk even with a broken leg, nothing in the universe can stop me from doing so, not even the God you worship !

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Free will

I am just trying to show you that human will is bound by many limitations, of which we are not even aware, your very reasoning faculty is bound by your genes and the sort of environment you got in childhood and adolescence. What you have read with active interest and the views you developed , you were predisposed to do just that. 

On Mon 25 Feb, 2019, 2:17 PM ashok tewari <atewari2007@gmail.com wrote:

Why the hell would I want to walk with a broken leg ?

I'll let it pass as a stupid argument alongwith others like, flying as a bird, being Bill Gates, etc.

On Monday, February 25, 2019, Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

If , by chance, your leg gets broken I don't think you would have much freedom to walk. 

On Mon 25 Feb, 2019, 11:18 AM ashok tewari <atewari2007@gmail.com wrote:

RP, I am inclined to concede that your will is relatively free.

As for mine, it is absolute. No effing God interferes with my freedom to will as I please. And, indeed, to do what I want to do. 

On Monday, February 25, 2019, Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

In other words, man has free will because he can reason out things and after understanding all options, he can exercise his will to do this or that. But who has given you the faculty of reason and understanding, you have received it through your genes, which are God-given, and hence you are bound.

But, in relative terms, we are free because we always have a choice, and are this accountable for our action and thoughts.

On Mon 25 Feb, 2019, 7:41 AM Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com wrote:

Human brain decodes sensory inputs availed through five senses.

It is experienced with related karmic impressions from before, in human subconscious, alongwith current judgement of the experiencing self : like or dislike, want or no-want.

The experience itself is an emotion, a reactive feeling in one's vitality.

Will follows emotion, by the desire prompted by our judgement of the experience, objectified as an association embedded in the thing, object or being perceived, from which the sensory input is availed.

Will essentially is the drive, to desire, want or possess the object if the experience is pleasing; or to drive away, negate or remove the object (or oneself) from the encounter.

Before the will is actually unleashed, causing action, it is subjected to conscious thought, analysis and evaluation. Those who do not subject the will to examination would be categorised as brutes.

That conscious deliberation offers us the window of opportunity, instantaneous or over the longer term, to choose from seeming options and alternatives : this or that, now or later, do or not.

That is the whole story of free will. That is, I repeat, if one is not a brute !

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