Johari's Window is a shock to most undergraduates. My guess is the
patterns (scripts etc.) deny dialogue Rigsy. I find them increasingly
infuriating if I let them. When I watch rugby these days I can tell
no one as unfit as me when I played could get by, but would still love
to tug the kit on. I find little grace in getting old and feeling
more 'beat up' after walking the dog than after losing pay on a mud
bath.
On Oct 15, 1:37 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It is easier to be led than to lead?//The "power" may be a form of
> sabotage or "exit- stage left" when we are talking group dynamics.
> Rather than facing up or talking through, certain patterns click in-
> it probably has something to do with survival instincts, buying time
> or waiting for divine intervention. :-) However, suppressed aggression/
> retaliation has a way of popping up in one's memory bank despite the
> best efforts to live and let live- one simply needs to swat it back in
> place or come up with an eraser phrase like "remember the good times"
> or "pray for the sob".//As the leaves continue to whirl away...am I
> too old to wear a hot red shortie coat trimmed in white fox- a knock-
> out from the 40's of ma mere- who else? Queen Mouse says "No, my
> dear!" Or I may send it to my daughter-in-law- I'll think about it.
> What use is growing old "gracefully"? What does that really mean?
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> On Oct 14, 9:42 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I once lived amongst mice - it was a university psychology thingy. I
> > first wondered why the subordinate mice didn't overthrow the king
> > mouse and he (he was always male) always kept his crew in vicious
> > check ans "poverty". I knew the underling males could be trained and
> > fed to defeat him. Later I just saw that nothing changed except the
> > identity of the king mouse. I grew to quite like individual mice but
> > not the mouse society.
> > Currently, though we have an extensive understanding of genetic-
> > environment-evolution stuff - sufficient at least to make most nature-
> > nurture debate old hat - we are still stuck in a misunderstanding of
> > our animal situation and in dire myths that hide the nature of motives
> > even from those who lay claim to extirpate ideology. One wants to
> > live and let live, yet this is never enough. We need 'power' of some
> > kind to negate power itself - or fatalism.
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> > On Oct 14, 2:03 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Though motives can work themselves into a snarl- like yarn or string-
> > > and one often needs time (maturity and education) to follow the path
> > > backwards. (The Labyrinth myth comes to mind.)
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> > > On Oct 14, 1:36 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Man is bound by God through genetics , environment etc. , but all of
> > > > it so hidden that to an individual he is absolutely free , and free he
> > > > is as he is the agent , it is he who decides and acts and as such the
> > > > bonds beings so subtle as to be unconscious , he is consciously doing
> > > > everything freely.If we can be aware of our real motives we can
> > > > control our actions to some degree and it is in that way that
> > > > knowledge of our hidden motives can help us.
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> > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by genetics/evolution/
> > > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through
> > > > > knowledge?
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> > > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are
> > > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world
> > > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are just a
> > > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action as
> > > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are
> > > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's presence
> > > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in man's
> > > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless
> > > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity on
> > > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible for
> > > > >> your every action and inaction.
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> > > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as
> > > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning !
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> > > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter, and
> > > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom.
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> > > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is man
> > > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and not to
> > > > >> >> God.
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> > > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God alone..."
> > > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative !
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> > > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary.
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> > > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and everything
> > > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary follows --
> > > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to man and
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