Some wealth is not evil, Allan. It depends on how it is acquired and
used. Like it or not, it is one of the markers of success.
On Sep 30, 7:58 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rigsy I really feel sorry for those people who are hide from their
> responsibilities especially for greed.. the soul in this human vehicle has
> to return to the mandala where their greed will be held in account.. if
> it is perfectly legal is a viable excuse well all I can say is good luck.
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > But people can "hide" their wealth in the USA anyway via trusts,
> > certain investments, taking advantage of laws in other states for tax
> > purposes. These and other methods are perfectly legal.
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:02 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > that is a cool idea preventing people from hiding to avoid paying
> > taxes,,
>
> > > evil wicked laugh
> > > Allan
> > > On Sep 28, 2012 2:34 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > P.S. Re: that video that showed over-testing- sometimes dangerous or
> > > > nonsense- but I don't remember if they mentioned that the medical
> > > > profession is terrified of malpractice suits.
>
> > > > Greece wants their super- rich who have moved to other nations to pay
> > > > taxes. Can they extradite them?
>
> > > > On Sep 27, 9:14 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The basic motive is competition and profit so corners are cut or
> > > > > falsified sometimes. Also, it is a game to sharp traders. And I think
> > > > > it goes further back than the Middle Ages- how about ancient
> > > > > mythologies? The trickster deities were warnings- "buyer beware".
>
> > > > > Somewhat related; "Money & Medicine"
> > > >http://video.pbs.org/video/2280765671
>
> > > > > Had a back molar pulled yesterday. My neighbor took me over, waited
> > > > > and drove me home- he is a dear. Advice: if one MUST smoke, use a
> > > > > cigarette holder away from the socket; follow advice about cold packs
> > > > > and pain meds; keep foods interesting like polenta with butter and
> > > > > parmesan, carrot-ginger soup, scrambled eggs, etc., avoiding
> > > > > extraction site and keep to a sane diet till healing is complete.
>
> > > > > On Sep 27, 6:10 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The 'official speak' of my postmodernism is 'Lakatosian paradigm in
> > > > > > decadence' - regulations are cheated. It's getting more difficult
> > to
> > > > > > cheat in sport these days because of drug-testing, referees and the
> > > > > > video replay. Just as his was happening in sport, 'someone'
> > decided
> > > > > > to let all the rules go to pot in finance. I had a very lovely
> > friend
> > > > > > who cheated at Monopoly - the cheating being part of the fun of the
> > > > > > game with no damage done. My feelings are much like rigsy's - I
> > just
> > > > > > think ethics require public scrutiny, ideology prevents this and we
> > > > > > could do the refereeing better. My guess is the problem is
> > essentially
> > > > > > economics and business practices that are medieval and trapped in
> > > > > > animal genetics. Simples!
>
> > > > > > On 26 Sep, 07:44, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Where do you feel Rigsy's stick of despair? She sounds very up to
> > > > date
> > > > > > > to my ears, criticizing our fast unculture (modern positive
> > keyword:
> > > > > > > sustainability).
>
> > > > > > > And Neil posted numbered to do lists in order save the world at
> > least
> > > > > > > twice, as far as I remember. You would have liked them if they
> > had
> > > > > > > sprung off your mind. ;)
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Rigs, you seem to be beating here, there and everywhere with
> > your
> > > > stick of
> > > > > > > > despair ! Modernism has only changed the form of effects of our
> > > > failures.
> > > > > > > > Even Neil's post-modern theory of ethics seems needlessly
> > complex.
>
> > > > > > > > It's us. Period. Ethics requires people who are moral. Which,
> > in my
> > > > > > > > perspective, translates as men who are evolved ... spiritually
> > > > evolved ...
> > > > > > > > with whom, conscientiousness is supreme virtue.
>
> > > > > > > > Contemplation will take us back to that Truth, of which I
> > tried to
> > > > share not
> > > > > > > > so long ago.
>
> > > > > > > > Honesty is a corollary of truth. It's us. The society you are
> > > > beating is us.
> > > > > > > > Technology and wealth are neutral and inert. If inebriation
> > was in
> > > > alcohol,
> > > > > > > > the bottles should dance !
>
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:10 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> The ethics are already in place, Allan- they are just not
> > > > practised.
> > > > > > > >> You could include "greedy" imperialistic nations, berserk
> > > > cultures,
> > > > > > > >> grasping political parties. More's "Utopia" stressed humanism
> > > > which is
> > > > > > > >> under stress due to science and technology today- the new
> > darling.
>
> > > > > > > >> On Sep 24, 10:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > Ethics are going to be definitely reinvented getting greeedy
> > > > individuals
> > > > > > > >> > and corporations under control.
> > > > > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > A recent example: "Reinventing Ethics" by Howard Gardner
>
> > > >http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/reinventing-ethics/?s.
> > ..
>
> > > > > > > >> > > On Sep 24, 7:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > The government decides how to spend/mis-spend the taxes
> > and
> > > > fees
> > > > > > > >> > > > they
> > > > > > > >> > > > raise because we thought it wise at one time to give
> > them
> > > > that
> > > > > > > >> > > > power.
> > > > > > > >> > > > Banks have altered their function and don't forget
> > credit
> > > > cards as
> > > > > > > >> > > > unsecured loans. Somehow, my mind drifted to Plato's
> > > > "Republic"- but
> > > > > > > >> > > > there are many examples of attempts to organize society-
> > > > none of
> > > > > > > >> > > > which, imho, has done a very good job. There is an
> > > > impossible lack
> > > > > > > >> > > > of
> > > > > > > >> > > > control particularly since the advent of Liberalism.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Sep 22, 6:29 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > I think the germ of the idea is in this Don. All
> > money
> > > > > > > >> > > > > essentially
> > > > > > > >> > > > > comes from government - what we get from banks is
> > debt.
> > > > Street-up
> > > > > > > >> > > > > decision-making isn't all of it as rigsy points out.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > On 22 Sep, 12:26, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > You still have to deal with priorities on that list,
> > > > however.
> > > > > > > >> > > Stadiums
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > might trump infrastructure.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:22 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > >http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044416580457800851.
> > ..
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is what I'm talking about! Decentralization
> > is
> > > > key. I
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > >> > > this is
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > your busy bees at work Neil.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Peer networks don't have to involve digital
> > > > technology.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Twenty
> > > > > > > >> > > years ago,
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre pioneered a
> > > > radical new
> > > > > > > >> > > technique called
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "participatory budgeting." Each year, the city's
> > 16
> > > > regions
> > > > > > > >> > > conduct general
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > assemblies in which neighbors debate priorities
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > budget:
> > > > > > > >> > > school
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > construction, sewer repair, bridge building. The
> > > > assemblies
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > create
> > > > > > > >> > > a ranked
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > list of projects, and the government disperses
> > funds
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > accordingly.
> > > > > > > >> > > The money
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > comes from the state, but the decision of what to
> > > > fund comes
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > street."
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> > > > > > > >> > (
> > > > > > > >> > )
> > > > > > > >> > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > > >> > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
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>
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>
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There are many home remedies that are tried and true except that who's
home these days?- and barbers (now doctors) stepped in to create a
profession. Perhaps this is another course we can squeeze into
education to combat the endless ads of the drug companies. I view
doctors/hospitals/drugs as a last resort.
On Sep 28, 9:31 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What medical advice, I thought we were talking about folk remedies or a
> poor mans medicine.
> Allan
> On Sep 29, 2012 3:04 AM, "James" <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Being a sucker for punishment when my wisdom tooth was ground and picked
> > out I smoked and drank a large fountain drink, it only took me a week of
> > dry socket to start thinking creatively. I used one of those little brown
> > bottle Liquid Skin over-the-counter treatments, it may have contained clove
> > oil (that is what I wanted at the time but would've settled for anything),
> > put a good gob on a q-tip and smear it in there. The alcohol gave instant
> > relief to the inflamed bone and a protective coat, the healing went fine
> > from there, not sure how it would do on cavities. This is NOT medical
> > advice, YMMV. ;-)
>
> > On 9/28/2012 10:05 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> >> well when I could not afford a dentist in the states it keeped the pain
> >> at bay.
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Sep 28, 2012 2:37 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> >> Cloves might help with an ache but not with an extraction- it could
> >> cause infection. Best bet is a rinse of warm salt water to spur
> >> healing and keep food med. soft for a couple of weeks. Already moved
> >> up to ravioli! :-)
>
> >> On Sep 28, 4:20 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > Cloves make a great against pain Rigsy. and as your years have
> >> taught you
> >> > .. this to will pass
> >> > Allan
>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:14 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >> > > The basic motive is competition and profit so corners are cut or
> >> > > falsified sometimes. Also, it is a game to sharp traders. And I
> >> think
> >> > > it goes further back than the Middle Ages- how about ancient
> >> > > mythologies? The trickster deities were warnings- "buyer beware".
>
> >> > > Somewhat related; "Money & Medicine"
> >> > >http://video.pbs.org/video/**2280765671<http://video.pbs.org/video/2280765671>
>
> >> > > Had a back molar pulled yesterday. My neighbor took me over,
> >> waited
> >> > > and drove me home- he is a dear. Advice: if one MUST smoke, use a
> >> > > cigarette holder away from the socket; follow advice about cold
> >> packs
> >> > > and pain meds; keep foods interesting like polenta with butter
> >> and
> >> > > parmesan, carrot-ginger soup, scrambled eggs, etc., avoiding
> >> > > extraction site and keep to a sane diet till healing is complete.
>
> >> > > On Sep 27, 6:10 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > The 'official speak' of my postmodernism is 'Lakatosian
> >> paradigm in
> >> > > > decadence' - regulations are cheated. It's getting more
> >> difficult to
> >> > > > cheat in sport these days because of drug-testing, referees
> >> and the
> >> > > > video replay. Just as his was happening in sport, 'someone'
> >> decided
> >> > > > to let all the rules go to pot in finance. I had a very
> >> lovely friend
> >> > > > who cheated at Monopoly - the cheating being part of the fun
> >> of the
> >> > > > game with no damage done. My feelings are much like rigsy's
> >> - I just
> >> > > > think ethics require public scrutiny, ideology prevents this
> >> and we
> >> > > > could do the refereeing better. My guess is the problem is
> >> essentially
> >> > > > economics and business practices that are medieval and trapped
> >> in
> >> > > > animal genetics. Simples!
>
> >> > > > On 26 Sep, 07:44, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Where do you feel Rigsy's stick of despair? She sounds very
> >> up to date
> >> > > > > to my ears, criticizing our fast unculture (modern positive
> >> keyword:
> >> > > > > sustainability).
>
> >> > > > > And Neil posted numbered to do lists in order save the
> >> world at least
> >> > > > > twice, as far as I remember. You would have liked them if
> >> they had
> >> > > > > sprung off your mind. ;)
>
> >> > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:atewari2...@gmail.com>**> wrote:
> >> > > > > > Rigs, you seem to be beating here, there and everywhere
> >> with your
> >> > > stick of
> >> > > > > > despair ! Modernism has only changed the form of effects
> >> of our
> >> > > failures.
> >> > > > > > Even Neil's post-modern theory of ethics seems needlessly
> >> complex.
>
> >> > > > > > It's us. Period. Ethics requires people who are moral.
> >> Which, in my
> >> > > > > > perspective, translates as men who are evolved ...
> >> spiritually
> >> > > evolved ...
> >> > > > > > with whom, conscientiousness is supreme virtue.
>
> >> > > > > > Contemplation will take us back to that Truth, of which I
> >> tried to
> >> > > share not
> >> > > > > > so long ago.
>
> >> > > > > > Honesty is a corollary of truth. It's us. The society you
> >> are
> >> > > beating is us.
> >> > > > > > Technology and wealth are neutral and inert. If
> >> inebriation was in
> >> > > alcohol,
> >> > > > > > the bottles should dance !
>
> >> > > > > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:10 PM UTC+5:30,
> >> rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> The ethics are already in place, Allan- they are just
> >> not practised.
> >> > > > > >> You could include "greedy" imperialistic nations,
> >> berserk cultures,
> >> > > > > >> grasping political parties. More's "Utopia" stressed
> >> humanism which
> >> > > is
> >> > > > > >> under stress due to science and technology today- the
> >> new darling.
>
> >> > > > > >> On Sep 24, 10:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > Ethics are going to be definitely reinvented getting
> >> greeedy
> >> > > individuals
> >> > > > > >> > and corporations under control.
> >> > > > > >> > Allan
>
> >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM, rigsy03
> >> <rigs...@yahoo.com <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > > A recent example: "Reinventing Ethics" by Howard
> >> Gardner
>
> >> >http://opinionator.blogs.**nytimes.com/2012/09/23/**
> >> reinventing-ethics/?s.<http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/reinventing-ethics/?s.>
> >> ..
>
> >> > > > > >> > > On Sep 24, 7:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > > > The government decides how to spend/mis-spend the
> >> taxes and
> >> > > fees
> >> > > > > >> > > > they
> >> > > > > >> > > > raise because we thought it wise at one time to
> >> give them that
> >> > > > > >> > > > power.
> >> > > > > >> > > > Banks have altered their function and don't forget
> >> credit
> >> > > cards as
> >> > > > > >> > > > unsecured loans. Somehow, my mind drifted to Plato's
> >> > > "Republic"- but
> >> > > > > >> > > > there are many examples of attempts to organize
> >> society- none
> >> > > of
> >> > > > > >> > > > which, imho, has done a very good job. There is an
> >> impossible
> >> > > lack
> >> > > > > >> > > > of
> >> > > > > >> > > > control particularly since the advent of Liberalism.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > On Sep 22, 6:29 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > I think the germ of the idea is in this Don.
> >> All money
> >> > > > > >> > > > > essentially
> >> > > > > >> > > > > comes from government - what we get from banks
> >> is debt.
> >> > > Street-up
> >> > > > > >> > > > > decision-making isn't all of it as rigsy points
> >> out.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > On 22 Sep, 12:26, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > You still have to deal with priorities on that
> >> list,
> >> > > however.
> >> > > > > >> > > Stadiums
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > might trump infrastructure.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:22 am, Don Johnson
> >> <daj...@gmail.com <mailto:daj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> >http://professional.wsj.com/**article/**
> >> SB1000087239639044416580457800**851.<http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044416580457800851.>
> >> ..
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > This is what I'm talking about!
> >> Decentralization is
> >> > > key. I
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > believe
> >> > > > > >> > > this is
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > your busy bees at work Neil.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > "Peer networks don't have to involve digital
> >> technology.
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Twenty
> >> > > > > >> > > years ago,
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre pioneered
> >> a radical
> >> > > new
> >> > > > > >> > > technique called
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > "participatory budgeting." Each year, the
> >> city's 16
> >> > > regions
> >> > > > > >> > > conduct general
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > assemblies in which neighbors debate
> >> priorities for the
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > budget:
> >> > > > > >> > > school
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > construction, sewer repair, bridge building.
> >> The
> >> > > assemblies
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > create
>
> ...
>
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home these days?- and barbers (now doctors) stepped in to create a
profession. Perhaps this is another course we can squeeze into
education to combat the endless ads of the drug companies. I view
doctors/hospitals/drugs as a last resort.
On Sep 28, 9:31 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What medical advice, I thought we were talking about folk remedies or a
> poor mans medicine.
> Allan
> On Sep 29, 2012 3:04 AM, "James" <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Being a sucker for punishment when my wisdom tooth was ground and picked
> > out I smoked and drank a large fountain drink, it only took me a week of
> > dry socket to start thinking creatively. I used one of those little brown
> > bottle Liquid Skin over-the-counter treatments, it may have contained clove
> > oil (that is what I wanted at the time but would've settled for anything),
> > put a good gob on a q-tip and smear it in there. The alcohol gave instant
> > relief to the inflamed bone and a protective coat, the healing went fine
> > from there, not sure how it would do on cavities. This is NOT medical
> > advice, YMMV. ;-)
>
> > On 9/28/2012 10:05 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> >> well when I could not afford a dentist in the states it keeped the pain
> >> at bay.
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Sep 28, 2012 2:37 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> >> Cloves might help with an ache but not with an extraction- it could
> >> cause infection. Best bet is a rinse of warm salt water to spur
> >> healing and keep food med. soft for a couple of weeks. Already moved
> >> up to ravioli! :-)
>
> >> On Sep 28, 4:20 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > Cloves make a great against pain Rigsy. and as your years have
> >> taught you
> >> > .. this to will pass
> >> > Allan
>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:14 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >> > > The basic motive is competition and profit so corners are cut or
> >> > > falsified sometimes. Also, it is a game to sharp traders. And I
> >> think
> >> > > it goes further back than the Middle Ages- how about ancient
> >> > > mythologies? The trickster deities were warnings- "buyer beware".
>
> >> > > Somewhat related; "Money & Medicine"
> >> > >http://video.pbs.org/video/**2280765671<http://video.pbs.org/video/2280765671>
>
> >> > > Had a back molar pulled yesterday. My neighbor took me over,
> >> waited
> >> > > and drove me home- he is a dear. Advice: if one MUST smoke, use a
> >> > > cigarette holder away from the socket; follow advice about cold
> >> packs
> >> > > and pain meds; keep foods interesting like polenta with butter
> >> and
> >> > > parmesan, carrot-ginger soup, scrambled eggs, etc., avoiding
> >> > > extraction site and keep to a sane diet till healing is complete.
>
> >> > > On Sep 27, 6:10 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > The 'official speak' of my postmodernism is 'Lakatosian
> >> paradigm in
> >> > > > decadence' - regulations are cheated. It's getting more
> >> difficult to
> >> > > > cheat in sport these days because of drug-testing, referees
> >> and the
> >> > > > video replay. Just as his was happening in sport, 'someone'
> >> decided
> >> > > > to let all the rules go to pot in finance. I had a very
> >> lovely friend
> >> > > > who cheated at Monopoly - the cheating being part of the fun
> >> of the
> >> > > > game with no damage done. My feelings are much like rigsy's
> >> - I just
> >> > > > think ethics require public scrutiny, ideology prevents this
> >> and we
> >> > > > could do the refereeing better. My guess is the problem is
> >> essentially
> >> > > > economics and business practices that are medieval and trapped
> >> in
> >> > > > animal genetics. Simples!
>
> >> > > > On 26 Sep, 07:44, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Where do you feel Rigsy's stick of despair? She sounds very
> >> up to date
> >> > > > > to my ears, criticizing our fast unculture (modern positive
> >> keyword:
> >> > > > > sustainability).
>
> >> > > > > And Neil posted numbered to do lists in order save the
> >> world at least
> >> > > > > twice, as far as I remember. You would have liked them if
> >> they had
> >> > > > > sprung off your mind. ;)
>
> >> > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:atewari2...@gmail.com>**> wrote:
> >> > > > > > Rigs, you seem to be beating here, there and everywhere
> >> with your
> >> > > stick of
> >> > > > > > despair ! Modernism has only changed the form of effects
> >> of our
> >> > > failures.
> >> > > > > > Even Neil's post-modern theory of ethics seems needlessly
> >> complex.
>
> >> > > > > > It's us. Period. Ethics requires people who are moral.
> >> Which, in my
> >> > > > > > perspective, translates as men who are evolved ...
> >> spiritually
> >> > > evolved ...
> >> > > > > > with whom, conscientiousness is supreme virtue.
>
> >> > > > > > Contemplation will take us back to that Truth, of which I
> >> tried to
> >> > > share not
> >> > > > > > so long ago.
>
> >> > > > > > Honesty is a corollary of truth. It's us. The society you
> >> are
> >> > > beating is us.
> >> > > > > > Technology and wealth are neutral and inert. If
> >> inebriation was in
> >> > > alcohol,
> >> > > > > > the bottles should dance !
>
> >> > > > > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:10 PM UTC+5:30,
> >> rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> The ethics are already in place, Allan- they are just
> >> not practised.
> >> > > > > >> You could include "greedy" imperialistic nations,
> >> berserk cultures,
> >> > > > > >> grasping political parties. More's "Utopia" stressed
> >> humanism which
> >> > > is
> >> > > > > >> under stress due to science and technology today- the
> >> new darling.
>
> >> > > > > >> On Sep 24, 10:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > Ethics are going to be definitely reinvented getting
> >> greeedy
> >> > > individuals
> >> > > > > >> > and corporations under control.
> >> > > > > >> > Allan
>
> >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM, rigsy03
> >> <rigs...@yahoo.com <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > > A recent example: "Reinventing Ethics" by Howard
> >> Gardner
>
> >> >http://opinionator.blogs.**nytimes.com/2012/09/23/**
> >> reinventing-ethics/?s.<http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/reinventing-ethics/?s.>
> >> ..
>
> >> > > > > >> > > On Sep 24, 7:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > > > The government decides how to spend/mis-spend the
> >> taxes and
> >> > > fees
> >> > > > > >> > > > they
> >> > > > > >> > > > raise because we thought it wise at one time to
> >> give them that
> >> > > > > >> > > > power.
> >> > > > > >> > > > Banks have altered their function and don't forget
> >> credit
> >> > > cards as
> >> > > > > >> > > > unsecured loans. Somehow, my mind drifted to Plato's
> >> > > "Republic"- but
> >> > > > > >> > > > there are many examples of attempts to organize
> >> society- none
> >> > > of
> >> > > > > >> > > > which, imho, has done a very good job. There is an
> >> impossible
> >> > > lack
> >> > > > > >> > > > of
> >> > > > > >> > > > control particularly since the advent of Liberalism.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > On Sep 22, 6:29 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > I think the germ of the idea is in this Don.
> >> All money
> >> > > > > >> > > > > essentially
> >> > > > > >> > > > > comes from government - what we get from banks
> >> is debt.
> >> > > Street-up
> >> > > > > >> > > > > decision-making isn't all of it as rigsy points
> >> out.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > On 22 Sep, 12:26, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com
> >> <mailto:rigs...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > You still have to deal with priorities on that
> >> list,
> >> > > however.
> >> > > > > >> > > Stadiums
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > might trump infrastructure.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:22 am, Don Johnson
> >> <daj...@gmail.com <mailto:daj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >> >http://professional.wsj.com/**article/**
> >> SB1000087239639044416580457800**851.<http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044416580457800851.>
> >> ..
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > This is what I'm talking about!
> >> Decentralization is
> >> > > key. I
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > believe
> >> > > > > >> > > this is
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > your busy bees at work Neil.
>
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > "Peer networks don't have to involve digital
> >> technology.
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Twenty
> >> > > > > >> > > years ago,
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre pioneered
> >> a radical
> >> > > new
> >> > > > > >> > > technique called
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > "participatory budgeting." Each year, the
> >> city's 16
> >> > > regions
> >> > > > > >> > > conduct general
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > assemblies in which neighbors debate
> >> priorities for the
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > budget:
> >> > > > > >> > > school
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > construction, sewer repair, bridge building.
> >> The
> >> > > assemblies
> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > create
>
> ...
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Rigsy I really feel sorry for those people who are hide from their responsibilities especially for greed.. the soul in this human vehicle has to return to the mandala where their greed will be held in account.. if it is perfectly legal is a viable excuse well all I can say is good luck.
Allan
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-- On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
But people can "hide" their wealth in the USA anyway via trusts,
certain investments, taking advantage of laws in other states for tax
purposes. These and other methods are perfectly legal.
On Sep 28, 9:02 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> that is a cool idea preventing people from hiding to avoid paying taxes,,
>
> evil wicked laugh
> Allan
--> On Sep 28, 2012 2:34 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > P.S. Re: that video that showed over-testing- sometimes dangerous or
> > nonsense- but I don't remember if they mentioned that the medical
> > profession is terrified of malpractice suits.
>
> > Greece wants their super- rich who have moved to other nations to pay
> > taxes. Can they extradite them?
>
> > On Sep 27, 9:14 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The basic motive is competition and profit so corners are cut or
> > > falsified sometimes. Also, it is a game to sharp traders. And I think
> > > it goes further back than the Middle Ages- how about ancient
> > > mythologies? The trickster deities were warnings- "buyer beware".
>
> > > Somewhat related; "Money & Medicine"
> >http://video.pbs.org/video/2280765671
>
> > > Had a back molar pulled yesterday. My neighbor took me over, waited
> > > and drove me home- he is a dear. Advice: if one MUST smoke, use a
> > > cigarette holder away from the socket; follow advice about cold packs
> > > and pain meds; keep foods interesting like polenta with butter and
> > > parmesan, carrot-ginger soup, scrambled eggs, etc., avoiding
> > > extraction site and keep to a sane diet till healing is complete.
>
> > > On Sep 27, 6:10 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The 'official speak' of my postmodernism is 'Lakatosian paradigm in
> > > > decadence' - regulations are cheated. It's getting more difficult to
> > > > cheat in sport these days because of drug-testing, referees and the
> > > > video replay. Just as his was happening in sport, 'someone' decided
> > > > to let all the rules go to pot in finance. I had a very lovely friend
> > > > who cheated at Monopoly - the cheating being part of the fun of the
> > > > game with no damage done. My feelings are much like rigsy's - I just
> > > > think ethics require public scrutiny, ideology prevents this and we
> > > > could do the refereeing better. My guess is the problem is essentially
> > > > economics and business practices that are medieval and trapped in
> > > > animal genetics. Simples!
>
> > > > On 26 Sep, 07:44, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Where do you feel Rigsy's stick of despair? She sounds very up to
> > date
> > > > > to my ears, criticizing our fast unculture (modern positive keyword:
> > > > > sustainability).
>
> > > > > And Neil posted numbered to do lists in order save the world at least
> > > > > twice, as far as I remember. You would have liked them if they had
> > > > > sprung off your mind. ;)
>
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Rigs, you seem to be beating here, there and everywhere with your
> > stick of
> > > > > > despair ! Modernism has only changed the form of effects of our
> > failures.
> > > > > > Even Neil's post-modern theory of ethics seems needlessly complex.
>
> > > > > > It's us. Period. Ethics requires people who are moral. Which, in my
> > > > > > perspective, translates as men who are evolved ... spiritually
> > evolved ...
> > > > > > with whom, conscientiousness is supreme virtue.
>
> > > > > > Contemplation will take us back to that Truth, of which I tried to
> > share not
> > > > > > so long ago.
>
> > > > > > Honesty is a corollary of truth. It's us. The society you are
> > beating is us.
> > > > > > Technology and wealth are neutral and inert. If inebriation was in
> > alcohol,
> > > > > > the bottles should dance !
>
> > > > > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:10 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > > > > >> The ethics are already in place, Allan- they are just not
> > practised.
> > > > > >> You could include "greedy" imperialistic nations, berserk
> > cultures,
> > > > > >> grasping political parties. More's "Utopia" stressed humanism
> > which is
> > > > > >> under stress due to science and technology today- the new darling.
>
> > > > > >> On Sep 24, 10:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > Ethics are going to be definitely reinvented getting greeedy
> > individuals
> > > > > >> > and corporations under control.
> > > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > A recent example: "Reinventing Ethics" by Howard Gardner
>
> >http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/reinventing-ethics/?s...
>
> > > > > >> > > On Sep 24, 7:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > The government decides how to spend/mis-spend the taxes and
> > fees
> > > > > >> > > > they
> > > > > >> > > > raise because we thought it wise at one time to give them
> > that
> > > > > >> > > > power.
> > > > > >> > > > Banks have altered their function and don't forget credit
> > cards as
> > > > > >> > > > unsecured loans. Somehow, my mind drifted to Plato's
> > "Republic"- but
> > > > > >> > > > there are many examples of attempts to organize society-
> > none of
> > > > > >> > > > which, imho, has done a very good job. There is an
> > impossible lack
> > > > > >> > > > of
> > > > > >> > > > control particularly since the advent of Liberalism.
>
> > > > > >> > > > On Sep 22, 6:29 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > > > I think the germ of the idea is in this Don. All money
> > > > > >> > > > > essentially
> > > > > >> > > > > comes from government - what we get from banks is debt.
> > Street-up
> > > > > >> > > > > decision-making isn't all of it as rigsy points out.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > On 22 Sep, 12:26, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > You still have to deal with priorities on that list,
> > however.
> > > > > >> > > Stadiums
> > > > > >> > > > > > might trump infrastructure.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:22 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639044416580457800851...
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > This is what I'm talking about! Decentralization is
> > key. I
> > > > > >> > > > > > > believe
> > > > > >> > > this is
> > > > > >> > > > > > > your busy bees at work Neil.
>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > "Peer networks don't have to involve digital
> > technology.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > Twenty
> > > > > >> > > years ago,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre pioneered a
> > radical new
> > > > > >> > > technique called
> > > > > >> > > > > > > "participatory budgeting." Each year, the city's 16
> > regions
> > > > > >> > > conduct general
> > > > > >> > > > > > > assemblies in which neighbors debate priorities for
> > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > budget:
> > > > > >> > > school
> > > > > >> > > > > > > construction, sewer repair, bridge building. The
> > assemblies
> > > > > >> > > > > > > create
> > > > > >> > > a ranked
> > > > > >> > > > > > > list of projects, and the government disperses funds
> > > > > >> > > > > > > accordingly.
> > > > > >> > > The money
> > > > > >> > > > > > > comes from the state, but the decision of what to
> > fund comes
> > > > > >> > > > > > > from
> > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > street."
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