researchers can't see what is staring them in the face. Decision-
making is not easy to define, partly because it happens long before
conscious rationalisation of it. There's not enough information in
the article to decide quite what is under discussion. I didn't want
to respond at article length, but think I did produce something that
opens the stuff up. I don't take anything in here much to heart. I
would guess this research likely to fall at the first research hurdle
of literature review on the nature of decision-making and later on
methodology concerning research assumptions - the leap into decision
fatigue could be described in a number of different ways. It takes
too long to do anything that approaches research here. The obvious
problem is that this is no way to be doing parole if the system is
supposed to be fair. The complexity of human action under work
deadline doesn't seem met by 'decision fatigue' - all kinds of stuff
goes on as people struggle to get away on time. I just threw up a bit
of the stuff. I sort of expect people in here to fill in the gaps.
On Aug 27, 6:44 pm, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you, o'mind; i hope that archytas does not assume that i was
> being overly critical, or defensive, it was an honest, rigorous
> question; i thought the article was about "decision fatigue" (the
> interesting insight the article provides is perhaps debunking a hidden
> assumption we might hold that our decisions are as properly considered
> in the 11th hour as it might be in the 1st hour); the question
> archytas seems to raise regarding the quality of outcomes with regard
> to parole decisions is actually a very interesting question; just not
> sure it's related to the thrust of the article (which of course is not
> a problem of itself). And i still dont get the purchase decision thing
> (which is not a problem either).
>
> On Aug 27, 2:57 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Paradox, while no doubt archy can and will answer your question
> > himself, while perhaps not 'profound', his anecdotes are quite on
> > topic and related to your posted article as far as I can tell. I
> > reviewed only the 1st page of the article for this response; however,
> > there one finds both criminals of different internationalities up for
> > parole along with the notion of 'decision making' (choices). The same
> > was true for archy's story.
>
> > Taking license and knowing the flavor of his disillusionment, when he
> > shares how psychopaths apparently are more able to talk their ways out
> > of incarnation with the associated supposition that those on the
> > parole board actually are/were using some sort of rational decision
> > making when selecting those to release and those not to, it is quite
> > clear that something else is afoot as it is on your article which
> > implies time based 'decision making'. In short, what many consider to
> > be choice is something else entirely.
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> > Continuing with the license I'm taking in posing as archy, (he would
> > never go through this in such a linear way), the 'salesman' who
> > actually talked him out of a purchase most likely thought he was
> > making a choice and no doubt a well informed one to close a sale. 'nuf
> > said.
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> > On Aug 27, 3:15 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Well, thank goodness we haven't had to pay for it, eh archytas? :)
>
> > > I'm confused though, i'm probably missing something profound...what
> > > has the "psychopaths..." thing, or your experiences with your broken
> > > PC (i'm hoping you've managed to replace it now?), got to do with the
> > > article, or decision-making?
>
> > > Or perhaps we should start with your assumptions; what is decision-
> > > making to you?
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> > > On Aug 27, 5:54 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > One possibility in this research is that they aren't looking at
> > > > decision fatigue at all in the parole decisions - there isn't enough
> > > > data in the NYT to decide. Psychopaths are known to be much better at
> > > > getting 'positive' decisions in parole hearings than the rest of
> > > > 'us'. Three times better - something that makes one wonder about the
> > > > process as 'decision-making' at all. If the people concerned couldn't
> > > > spot this going on themselves they aren't fit to be making the
> > > > decisions.
>
> > > > A few Xmases back my PC broke and I ended-up at PC World trying to get
> > > > a bog standard machine to meet a deadline. Merely a matter of handing
> > > > over the cash and carrying the box to the car. With the box on the
> > > > table some sales idiot insisted on selling me warranty insurance
> > > > telling me no one else could mend it if it went wrong. This was an
> > > > additional £100. Sale lost. I went to spend the week with my sister
> > > > and used hers. I agree with Rigsby. Expensive piffle.
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> > > > On Aug 26, 9:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Have you been talking with my other half, or something? :)
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> > > > > On Aug 25, 11:32 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > These "scientists" probably make 6 figure salaries to come up with
> > > > > > this? :-)
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> > > > > > On Aug 25, 1:08 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > A humorous aside...I forwarded the article to my wife; she thought it
> > > > > > > interesting and replied asking how i intended to apply this new found
> > > > > > > knowledge to my personal and professional life (she's very pragmatic
> > > > > > > that way); i said, "Well, for starters and with immediate effect, i'm
> > > > > > > reducing my effective working day to 2 hours after breakfast, and 1
> > > > > > > hour over dinner before drinks!". I thought that was quite funny; she
> > > > > > > thought that was quite strange, didn't seem at all surprised :)
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> > > > > > > On Aug 24, 12:30 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Good article, yes I can get with that totaly. After almost 20 years
> > > > > > > > of thinking about and mending other peoples problems, it can be
> > > > > > > > wearing.
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> > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 11:20 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Just back from my vacation, so catching up. Came across this
> > > > > > > > > intriguing and very interesting article; thought it'd be good to
> > > > > > > > > share...
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