Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Protocols of Reaction

Yes, it can be all this and more. That's why it's so important that we know what we are talking about.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:53 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@gmail.com> wrote:

But technology can be helpful/life-saving or destructive- and who
devises the master plan? Perhaps humans will have a chip inserted at
birth that will reward or punish their reactions? Yikes!

On Aug 30, 2:19 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The grand plan belongs to the realm of the ultimate sense. The master plan
> is what new technology operates on.
>
>
>

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am not hopeful on the grand plan - more that new technology may help
> > with what have been chronic inabilities amongst humans.
>
> > On Aug 30, 12:28 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > None. Nature protects itself from having all the people flattened to the
> > > size of a page.
>
> > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > I think it takes calamity to get humanity to all be reading the same
> > > > page.  The question remians how much calamity does it require?
>
> > > > On Aug 30, 11:51 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It doesn't matter how many people agree or disagree on which paper or
> > > > idea.
> > > > > That's why I don't share the hope for a change of world view. One
> > > > exchanges
> > > > > world views, that's how it works.
>
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Lee Douglas <
> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hahah Neil a grand plan but one that stands not a chance I think.
>
> > > > > > How does one fight agianst ignorance except throught teaching?
>
> > > > > > But of course some wont be taught, some cannot be taught, some will
> > > > > > reble against teachings not similar to their own belifes of
> > > > > > knowledege.
>
> > > > > > In short the capacity for reason in us humans are not the same from
> > > > > > individual to individual.  All ideas are bound to attract followers
> > > > > > and disenters, that is just the way it is and I do not see any
> > > > > > evidance that it will quickly change.
>
> > > > > > What will happen when these protocols are found, and only three
> > people
> > > > > > agree to them?
>
> > > > > > On Aug 27, 9:46 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I was thinking more about how we could identify ignorance in
> > reaction
> > > > > > > to see if we could find ways of putting it right in ways argument
> > > > > > > doesn't unless you are open to a change of world view.  We
> > somehow
> > > > > > > need the world-view protocols attached to what is said to know
> > what
> > > > is
> > > > > > > being argued or decided.  One can spot consensus protocols in
> > > > > > > cockroaches so why not in humans?  They may act to kill dialogue.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 25, 6:57 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Perhaps with a long enough view and a wide enough perspective,
> > > > Molly,
> > > > > > > > its perhaps not so much the emergence of a new order but a
> > changing
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > the guard.
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos.
> > We
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social
> > > > orders.
> > > > > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes
> > infinite
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > mutual creativity.  Finding and maintaining that point in
> > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > is a real challenge.  Once found, old orders fall away, new
> > > > orders
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in
> > > > action.
> > > > > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges.  Yet all we can see or
> > feel
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > Rome burning.  Why?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo.
> > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago.  Our media
> > was
> > > > full
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > unprecedented.  I did not believe this as I watched -
> > though I
> > > > did
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games.  The above link
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago -
> > it
> > > > > > casts a
> > > > > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history
> > > > > > repeating
> > > > > > > > > > itself.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional
> > > > > > response
> > > > > > > > > > (or should).  I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk
> > > > > > reactions'
> > > > > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond
> > many
> > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > left to their own devices.  I believe our democracies are
> > weak
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well -
> > > > hence
> > > > > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using
> > > > highly
> > > > > > > > > > dubious techniques.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to
> > > > 'ignorant
> > > > > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our
> > societies
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way
> > far
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > centralised than any politburo.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy.  Teaching is very
> > > > > > frustrating
> > > > > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful
> > > > human
> > > > > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy
> > is
> > > > > > > > > > similar.  The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to
> > be
> > > > > > elitist
> > > > > > > > > > and sneer at others.  I succeed a bit in 'adventures with
> > > > ideas'
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and
> > time
> > > > again
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > wider social action.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions
> > people
> > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide
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