based on power and the idea that "i" or "we" can have more or less
than "you." There are views that realize that every group operates
holistically, and the flow of operation and pinnacle of achievement is
not dependent on power but synergy. A savvy leader knows the group
members potentiality, talent, perceived limitation, resources etc.,
and creates the conditions necessary for every and all to move beyond
them as a whole. It takes a big picture view of how each person
operates and where the group fits in the community (whole). A group
with such leadership can become a change agent. The leadership
understands that power is a misnomer, as it is not power that fuels
the group effort, but synergy.
Given, not all groups operate like this. Not everyone has realized
the fallacious nature of "power." Fallacious because we indeed are
operating as a whole on the more subtle levels. Our view can distort
what is really occurring, because it is often too narrow (egocentric -
me against them- or ethnocentric - us against them.) All power plays
are based in these memes because they require opposition. Leaders who
allow the talent in the group to emerge and mentor, who can inspire
group vision and keep the group focused to it, who recognized each
individual contribution and potential and provide resources necessary
for fulfillment are indeed rare. But they are emerging whether by
necessity of a higher calling.
I find it interesting that here in Detroit, Mayor Bing, who receives a
whopping $.90 annual salary, has done more to allow the worldcentric
leadership of the city to emerge than anyone in the history of the
city. His critics say that he has not made any tangible change
although you don't have to look far to see that he has. He operates
at a much higher meme than our President, although I suspect that the
conditions of the world might not be ready for any other than a power
based person in the Presidency.
Power relations are inevitable in groups whose members know no other
way. But there are other ways and other views.
On Oct 17, 7:00 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we have to admit to some inevitability of power relations -
> objectivity gets as invasive as bully-power if we aren't careful.
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> On Oct 17, 2:27 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Personal power seems part and parcel to living authentically (whatever
> > that might mean), motive and intent buried in the basis of authority.
> > I take your meaning is that there are a few deeply rooted memes for a
> > weak basis on authority, and it makes me wonder about how we assess a
> > disproportionate amount of authority on achievement and how this gets
> > corrupted by the apparent values celebrated in our society. Is this in
> > dissonance with nature, I wonder, or are we as mesmerized by it as the
> > bird or fish to a shiny object. I'm trying to scrap out a few
> > paragraphs here and there on rhetoric and writing to get a grasp of my
> > own, hopefully it will light a fire under my pen. An act of futility
> > perhaps..
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> > On 10/15/11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I don't think we are all stuck. Certainly there are many memes that
> > > are, and many that are not. Spiral Dynamics is a good model that
> > > allows us to understand the states and stages of humanity, and how we
> > > each spiral up and down them in our lifetime. Someone who can't see
> > > past their ethnocentric or egocentric view will play the power card.
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> > > On Oct 14, 10:42 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I once lived amongst mice - it was a university psychology thingy. I
> > >> first wondered why the subordinate mice didn't overthrow the king
> > >> mouse and he (he was always male) always kept his crew in vicious
> > >> check ans "poverty". I knew the underling males could be trained and
> > >> fed to defeat him. Later I just saw that nothing changed except the
> > >> identity of the king mouse. I grew to quite like individual mice but
> > >> not the mouse society.
> > >> Currently, though we have an extensive understanding of genetic-
> > >> environment-evolution stuff - sufficient at least to make most nature-
> > >> nurture debate old hat - we are still stuck in a misunderstanding of
> > >> our animal situation and in dire myths that hide the nature of motives
> > >> even from those who lay claim to extirpate ideology. One wants to
> > >> live and let live, yet this is never enough. We need 'power' of some
> > >> kind to negate power itself - or fatalism.
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> > >> On Oct 14, 2:03 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > Though motives can work themselves into a snarl- like yarn or string-
> > >> > and one often needs time (maturity and education) to follow the path
> > >> > backwards. (The Labyrinth myth comes to mind.)
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> > >> > On Oct 14, 1:36 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > Man is bound by God through genetics , environment etc. , but all of
> > >> > > it so hidden that to an individual he is absolutely free , and free he
> > >> > > is as he is the agent , it is he who decides and acts and as such the
> > >> > > bonds beings so subtle as to be unconscious , he is consciously doing
> > >> > > everything freely.If we can be aware of our real motives we can
> > >> > > control our actions to some degree and it is in that way that
> > >> > > knowledge of our hidden motives can help us.
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> > >> > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by
> > >> > > > genetics/evolution/
> > >> > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through
> > >> > > > knowledge?
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> > >> > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are
> > >> > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world
> > >> > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are
> > >> > > >> just a
> > >> > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action
> > >> > > >> as
> > >> > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are
> > >> > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's
> > >> > > >> presence
> > >> > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in
> > >> > > >> man's
> > >> > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless
> > >> > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity
> > >> > > >> on
> > >> > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible
> > >> > > >> for
> > >> > > >> your every action and inaction.
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> > >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as
> > >> > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning !
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> > >> > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter,
> > >> > > >> > and
> > >> > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom.
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> > >> > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is
> > >> > > >> >> man
> > >> > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and
> > >> > > >> >> not to
> > >> > > >> >> God.
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> > >> > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God
> > >> > > >> >> > alone..."
> > >> > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative !
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> > >> > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary.
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> > >> > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and
> > >> > > >> >> >> > everything
> > >> > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary
> > >> > > >> >> >> > follows --
> > >> > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to
> > >> > > >> >> >> > man and
> > >> > > >> >> >> > society.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > --
> > Please do not put me on forwarding lists or submit my address to cute
> > online greetings or anything else for that matter. If you must, please
> > forward me in BCC and send me a link to cute greetings. Many thanks!
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