My world changed immeasurably when the fear fell away.
On Oct 19, 1:25 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't take it myself to be honest Chris. Derrida used to say we are
> in spirit positive. In Anglo-Saxon terms he was just a liberal, almost
> priestly as a bloke over a few beers. I was younger then, still able
> to knock things over and feel it was worth the bother. I suspect we
> don't understand "negation" very well. Gabby (bless) always has some
> - or it seems that way (I remember very positive support of me some
> years back) - and the question arising is when this becomes as much
> censorship as all the other stuff we might brand as that. It isn't
> "negation" or the sting of criticism that really gets to me, more
> selfish attitudes in what I feel as madness, triumphed as positive but
> perpetual children. I like kids and even childish behaviour as
> entertainment. I can't stand the failure of education in making a
> decent society of responsible adults.
> I've done a lot more than most in playing the game - £7 million in
> research/project grants doesn't come from admissions projects will
> fail in the business plan. But the critical eye has to admit the
> majority fail and I was often signing-off on lies. £9K for university
> tutoring (outside of science and engineering) goes to fund middle-
> class lifestyles of the university hangers-on not towards the
> education of the young person. When last full-time, I was teaching
> 100 FTEs at least (200 times £9K = £900K in fees leaving £810K after
> my costs). I could have done a better job for the students with
> properly organised distance learning and a 'university' organised
> around local pubs, theartres and sports clubs done through social
> media - the overhead costed at around £100K (electronic library
> etc.). A better education with much more opportunity for small
> business involvement and so on at under a third of the cost and one
> not building onerous debt. What is negative in this? And sadly, the
> answer is easy middle-class incomes. I can go on an explain how even
> these would not be affected as we could expand more practical
> education and work development. I'm talking here of a more social,
> more tutor supported education better than the expensive, debt-
> producing fantasy we're forcing kids into. And one with lots of local
> creative possibilities with less bureaucracy and vastly increased
> 'civic' involvement.
> You have to 'deconstruct' to get to the above idea - and elsewhere in
> terms of stuff like agricultural and manufacturing productivity we
> have done this with little thought on the jobs lost by workers -
> indeed we've run roughshod over 'them'. The point in the negation
> should be positive - about the use of efficiency for general well-
> being and the creation of wider prosperity, probably redefined.
>
> What's hard, Chris, is facing-up to what life means to most people -
> the economics I've never taught (but colleagues have from a single
> text book) leads to a few very rich and the rest in debt-rent-mortgage
> peonage and the arms' race. It must be obvious we barely have even
> capitalism. It would be great to be able to ignore politics and the
> status quo, but we need to build so we can. The old phrase from the
> 50's (I only know from reading) was 'structuring freedom'. The human
> population has tripled since I was born (I reject personal, intimate
> responsibility!) - all very 'free' - producing planet burning and soon
> 'competition for air'. Raising questions about how complex freedom
> is.
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> The weight on us - if we think for improved practice - is complexity
> that most use simple Idols on to make their sense. I played rugby and
> was a cop. The whole Bradford Northern front row were less
> intimidating than the mad munter of some low-life I might nick with a
> bread knife. The rules and structure of the competition allow rugby -
> but what rules and structure would allow a decent society. Not every
> claim can count in trying to do that do should, in principle be heard
> so we don't 'go total' like some Spanish Fascit (fair typo) stealing
> babies from their ideologically unsound mothers.
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> I guess that fear is the load we are experiencing - maybe like that of
> animals in hierarchies under all kinds of complex leader power - just
> look what cockroaches and bees do to members in their 'reaching
> consensus rules'. Even the really positive is negative - we can now
> support human life without much effort - so why do we need poverty?
> That would destroy the motivation of the rest of us now, wouldn't it?
> The most obvious fact in the world is that most of what we claim we
> want as moral individuals needs a change in what society is and what
> people can aspire to as persons in it - otherwise we head to the usual
> human solution, war.
>
> Maybe I should 'out Dilbert' Scott Adams, you do some illustrations
> and pics, and we should watch the fireworks from Bermuda? I like the
> shadows in Bermuda.
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> On Oct 19, 3:56 pm, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I've never had someone so casually create a crushing despair in me, Neil.
> > Your writing has always affected me greatly, but the sense of general
> > futility that is often expressed weighs a ton. As someone who still holds
> > out hope for society's betterment, your words often feel like mountains on
> > my head.The sense of truth in them, I think, is what gives them so much
> > weight.
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> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The smell of authority gets up my nose however disguised Gabby - we've
> > > just seen an example in rugby union with a Welsh player sent off for a
> > > decent tackle and then banned for three games to reinforce the
> > > referee's authority. It all reeks of what people do given authority.
> > > Sport hardly matters, but the example is good. I don't know what's
> > > happening in Detroit. I do know that in Spain a ring of bastards
> > > (priests, nuns, doctors) removed 40,000 kids from their parents and
> > > adopted through mass baby trafficking beyond the Fascists. I was
> > > tempted once to become an anarcho-existential organisational
> > > practitioner and break some windows from the inside, but somehow
> > > jargon remains with the same smell.
> > > Molly's got a point - the problem is that words so rarely match what
> > > happens. The gadfly of irony loses its sting too,much as increasing
> > > lexicon (equafinality, artifactuality etc.) ... and paradigms of
> > > synergy fade in the dust of asset strippers.
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> > > So where are the solutions we might express?
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> > > On Oct 18, 8:15 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Puh, this is the flowery version of "I am against dualism" (compare: All
> > > > power plays are based in these memes because they require opposition),
> > > which
> > > > is understandable if the writer gets payed by the line. Whereby the scent
> > > of
> > > > power being related to hierarchies is decently overtoned, now isn't that
> > > > lovely. No mod here has the power over the ban button, this is me here
> > > > trolling and spreading an unpleasant odor. Puh, could someone please
> > > > let in some fresh air?
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> > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Power relations work only in a group with leadership who's view is
> > > > > based on power and the idea that "i" or "we" can have more or less
> > > > > than "you." There are views that realize that every group operates
> > > > > holistically, and the flow of operation and pinnacle of achievement is
> > > > > not dependent on power but synergy. A savvy leader knows the group
> > > > > members potentiality, talent, perceived limitation, resources etc.,
> > > > > and creates the conditions necessary for every and all to move beyond
> > > > > them as a whole. It takes a big picture view of how each person
> > > > > operates and where the group fits in the community (whole). A group
> > > > > with such leadership can become a change agent. The leadership
> > > > > understands that power is a misnomer, as it is not power that fuels
> > > > > the group effort, but synergy.
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> > > > > Given, not all groups operate like this. Not everyone has realized
> > > > > the fallacious nature of "power." Fallacious because we indeed are
> > > > > operating as a whole on the more subtle levels. Our view can distort
> > > > > what is really occurring, because it is often too narrow (egocentric -
> > > > > me against them- or ethnocentric - us against them.) All power plays
> > > > > are based in these memes because they require opposition. Leaders who
> > > > > allow the talent in the group to emerge and mentor, who can inspire
> > > > > group vision and keep the group focused to it, who recognized each
> > > > > individual contribution and potential and provide resources necessary
> > > > > for fulfillment are indeed rare. But they are emerging whether by
> > > > > necessity of a higher calling.
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> > > > > I find it interesting that here in Detroit, Mayor Bing, who receives a
> > > > > whopping $.90 annual salary, has done more to allow the worldcentric
> > > > > leadership of the city to emerge than anyone in the history of the
> > > > > city. His critics say that he has not made any tangible change
> > > > > although you don't have to look far to see that he has. He operates
> > > > > at a much higher meme than our President, although I suspect that the
> > > > > conditions of the world might not be ready for any other than a power
> > > > > based person in the Presidency.
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> > > > > Power relations are inevitable in groups whose members know no other
> > > > > way. But there are other ways and other views.
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> > > > > On Oct 17, 7:00 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I think we have to admit to some inevitability of power relations -
> > > > > > objectivity gets as invasive as bully-power if we aren't careful.
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> > > > > > On Oct 17, 2:27 pm, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Personal power seems part and parcel to living authentically
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