configurations of factors and circumstances may be complex but
whatever terms we use lead into gold, or reciprocity and
multidimensional thinking, or a social subconscious we can take it
right back to home by asking, 'what does nature lay out clearly to
inspect and reflect on'. I skimmed an article a few weeks ago that
culminated in a simple and profound truth: whatever work you do, if it
involves people it is fundamentally moral. Though I continue my
struggle to find solutions in configurations of complex systems and
dynamics your words on humanity resonate with a great 'standing wave'
that is constantly perturbed but always returns. These things allow me
to law down my weighs occasionally in a single breath, funny thing
about a simple word like 'sigh' that can represent a multitude of
thoughts. Aye, thoughts awander to Milgram's experiments now so I
better get to work before anxiety creeps up.
Watching quietly here lately but I love the excellent discussions
going on. Fall has racked me this year, I should tend to the hearth
vigilantly- in many ways.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> The issue is complex indeed. Medical marijuana has been legal in
> Michigan for a few years, but the distribution system is a failure. I
> know it took California many years to make it widely available but it
> creates another level of bureaucracy for folks to get medical
> treatment and makes it cost prohibitive in many cases. One nice long
> stroll down Freemont street in Last Vegas on any given night will
> illustrate some of your ideas here. Until we move to an understanding
> that change comes from inside out, we pump ourselves with ideas and
> substances that we find around us, thinking they will improve our
> internal environment. Trouble is, that method only secures the
> blindfold. It is an adolescent mindset that many do not outgrow.
> Setting the conditions for resilliency and empowerment in kids takes
> adults that understand that. Society is in short supply. Yet life
> goes on and we are each continually called to our own instincts and
> intuitions that are the only real guideposts that any of us have.
>
> On Oct 12, 12:26 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The area is riddled with problems we can't solve in full Molly. I'm
>> sure you must know how squalid it all gets. Rigsy is pointing to how
>> we seem to fly into non-solutions on the basis of 'despising' the
>> current generation of 'youth'. Lots of stuff in our homes manages to
>> get into children, from bleach and disinfectant to racism. This, of
>> course, is not a reason for adding more. I've seen academic ethnology
>> (Dunlap et al googles) but it misses much of the plight. What it gets
>> to some of is the 'exchanges' that go on - sex for drugs as young as 9
>> - often for mothers and associated men. It's all a long way from
>> Chris and I sharing a few beers and experimental chemistry.
>> 'Models' get flung up without much thinking through - the classic here
>> is the Dutch "legalisation" - this being no such animal. It's a
>> limited decriminalisation and not entirely popular. It's better
>> understood as attitudinal. I'm a fuggy muggy pub adherent and would
>> like to see cannabis available under licence from them and to treat
>> the issues under a medical model - but there's a big 'but' in that the
>> crap behaviour associated with booze and drugs needs much harsher
>> treatment, including follicle testing for kids in user families.
>>
>> I don't think the prohibition mentality helps in anything from
>> abortion through to most vice - the big issue is how to prevent vice
>> turning to rackets (our lotteries were once numbers rackets run by
>> characters like Frank Nitty). Amsterdam politicians come out with
>> declarations to sweep away the red light district and replace it with
>> 'a red carpet to their wonderful museums' - but in truth our
>> governments are not averse to organised crime money and encourage all
>> sorts of 'off shore' dodges where this money is laundered.
>>
>> We need something other than the knee-jerk stuff rigsy outlines as
>> part of the problem and a better understanding of the 'lack of
>> harmony'. I saw Noel Gallagher (Oasis) talking persuasively about
>> this last night. Celebrity is dangled everywhere but the truth is no
>> jobs and earning capacity. Here our generation's 'self-reliance' and
>> scorn for those who can't find worn as idlers and losers is very
>> damaging. Every piece of detailed history I've seen shows these
>> generational matters are endemic and take much the same form.
>> Smuggling has a long history around prohibition, taxes (often levied
>> for wars) or other trade issues.
>>
>> On Oct 12, 11:03 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I see the biggest barrier to your suggestion, Neil, is the question of
>> > how to limit access to our kids, who's ability to reason doesn't
>> > really develop until the early twenties. Most addictive behavior
>> > begins before then. As it is, the access for them, although illegal,
>> > isn't hard. Kids in the lowest and highest income families have the
>> > same risk factors. It is thought that is because neither group is
>> > given much attention by their families but for different reasons.
>> > Most of these kids don't find much harmony with life, and the
>> > percentage of addiction is highest.
>>
>> > On Oct 11, 6:35 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I'd like to see decriminalisation and public availability of most of
>> > > the weaker drugs. I suspect the moral is channeled into looking down
>> > > on vice instead of the actually more obvious evils like poverty.
>>
>> > > On Oct 10, 7:16 pm, "rigs...@yahoo.com" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > I learned some more about my parent's generation while watching
>> > > > "Prohibition"- a film by Ken Burns on PBS. A few more pieces to add to
>> > > > the jigsaw. I can see why they tightened the reins, so to speak. Maybe
>> > > > this is a factor between generations- sort of a see-saw- regarding
>> > > > behavior, expectations, mores- but I think it also exisits between
>> > > > classes and other distinctions within society.
>>
>> > > > What do you think?
>>
>> > > > Also- what about legalizing marijuana and other soft recreational
>> > > > drugs and taxing them? Might be at least one boost to the ecomony/
>> > > > revenue. If someone wants to over-do anything, they will, so are we
>> > > > repeating the mistakes of Prohibition?
>>
>> > > > Why do you think people have emotional "blind spots"? Trauma or
>> > > > ignorance...or both?
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