Re: Mind's Eye Towards a modern morality

I like to tease you, Allan. :-)

Ruts are sometimes the incipient phase before a new turn but they can
be uncomfortable/boring and need a push or a jolt.

On May 29, 8:59 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No rigs i was thinking the rainbow warrior should scoop it up for material
> to make cars  or at least parts for cars.
>
> Computers lack all morality...  there is no hell for computers..  just the
> programmers that write these immoral programs ..  but there is also the
> problem of using the system also approves of the system..  so if you use
> the system you are part of the system that allows it to function.
>
> Well if people that use the  the computerised IChing o make decisions  for
> them ,,,  well if you are that afraid of life and can not take
> responsibility ,, (lol) have at it..  Personally letting the computer
> select the segments of the I Ching  I read to day   has nothing to do with
> decisions an I am amazed at the morality it tries to impart.  Trying to get
> away from being stuck in he same old , same old rut
> Allan
> On May 29, 2012 1:10 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes- they can send a Rainbow Warrior out to scoop it up for
> > fertilizer? It's tempting to kill the messenger, I suppose.//My point
> > about the computer/I Ching was that you are designating a machine to
> > make the choices so I wonder if your readings are valid. Computers
> > have screwed up international trade systems, I feel- human
> > intelligence cannot compete with their speed, for one thing, plus it
> > relieves brokers of moral decisions.//Fortune telling is a form of
> > wishful thinking=a form of insanity.
>
> > On May 27, 11:32 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We know the world is nuts. That is a give.  The green peace soup has to
> > due
> > > with current flow. Floating pollution. Will always show up in the same
> > > spots ..  why don't they send ships out there to pick it up and recycle
> > it.
> > > Oh I forgot that is not dramatic enough and it would not put enough good
> > in
> > > their pocket.  And fortune telling tells you how and when to do it.
> > > Allan
> > > On May 27, 2012 3:23 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Physically throwing the coins or bamboo sticks are part of the deal,
> > > > Allan, plus most will interpret the Judgment or Lines to fit their
> > > > preconceived intent- or throw till they get the answer they want- it's
> > > > human nature. :-)//Serious matters, all this bleached paper women use
> > > > in and out their bodies along with monkeying around with fertility and
> > > > every other thing thay can think of to consider themselves liberated.
>
> > > > On May 27, 6:20 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I have been reading the I Ching for material to think about during
> > the
> > > > > day... well i looked up how to read the coins. (The program kind of
> > does
> > > > it
> > > > > all automatically) What is amazing is how serious people are. It
> > seems
> > > > they
> > > > > are even using it to determine if they are to use 2 or 3 ply maybe
> > it is
> > > > 4
> > > > > ply that is needed after the latest dump.
>
> > > > > I do believe. It can show you things you need to think about
> > regarding
> > > > any
> > > > > given subject.. along with correct moral responses... but make a
> > decision
> > > > > as to what ply of toilet paper to use when wiping ones buns this
> > time. No
> > > > > not only No but Hell No!!!
> > > > > Allan
> > > > > On May 27, 2012 9:46 AM, "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Times are changing,  the problem I see people who are just in the
> > > > morality
> > > > > > game for their own prophet. (sic)
> > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > On May 27, 2012 3:47 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Almost every little thing we do contributes to our carbon
> > footprint,
> > > > > >> which increases greenhouse gases, which could in turn ultimately
> > > > > >> threaten hundreds of millions of lives in some remote time and
> > place –
> > > > > >> the uncertainty only adding to the sublime awfulness of our
> > > > > >> responsibilities.  Contrary to Gardiner's concerns about moral
> > > > > >> corruption, climate change does not tempt us to be less moral
> > than we
> > > > > >> might otherwise be; it invites us to be more moral than we could
> > ever
> > > > > >> have imagined. Unlike the Dashwoods, we never knew how many
> > relatives
> > > > > >> we had. Climate ethics is not morality applied but morality
> > > > > >> discovered, a new chapter in the moral education of mankind. It
> > may
> > > > > >> tell us things we do not wish to know (about democracy, perhaps),
> > but
> > > > > >> the future development of humanity may depend on what, if
> > anything, it
> > > > > >> can teach us. (the last lines of a book review essay at LRB)
>
> > > > > >> I'm watching a South American farce called 'The Pope's Toilet' as
> > I
> > > > > >> write.  It's a very moral film.  I don't doubt, as James points
> > out
> > > > > >> that there are plenty of nuggets in our literature.  I doubt
> > anyone in
> > > > > >> here would miss the point of the film.  They are doing Allan's
> > last
> > > > > >> line above.
>
> > > > > >> If we forget moral philosophy, or at least suspend it, we might
> > catch
> > > > > >> a glimpse of a morality that is largely about suppressing the
> > poor and
> > > > > >> is based in non-modern attitudes.  If this is rather obvious, I
> > doubt
> > > > > >> we realise the consequences - one being the limitation of our
> > > > > >> dialogue.  I wonder if we should take Wittgenstein seriously and
> > look
> > > > > >> for what bewitches us as moral incompetents.  I suspect at core
> > the
> > > > > >> problem concerns a technocracy that isn't scientific and operates
> > by
> > > > > >> stopping us taking part in dialogue as competents.  I suspect
> > this is
> > > > > >> a very old trick at the heart of education.
>
> > > > > >> On May 26, 8:31 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > James so finding a sinkhole, now apparently that is very easy,
> > after
> > > > > >> > watching Clare Prophet, the Rev. Moon, the new kid Cohen, the
> > "Hour
> > > > of
> > > > > >> > Power" and many other religious ministries of great variety you
> > can
> > > > see
> > > > > >> > they develop sink holes for money with the other end a lavish
> > life
> > > > > >> style.
>
> > > > > >> > You are right we need to work for the betterment of mankind. The
> > > > > >> emphasis
> > > > > >> > needs to be on the poor but politics often gets I'm the way.
> > Oddly
> > > > > >> enough
> > > > > >> > it can be circumvented peacefully.
> > > > > >> > Allan
> > > > > >> >  On May 25, 2012 11:38 PM, "James" <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > > I think one aspect to consider is what types of thinking it
> > would
> > > > > >> take to
> > > > > >> > > build up an infrastructure of citizenry with a more scientific
> > > > world
> > > > > >> view,
> > > > > >> > > and what that even means (hopefully more rational). This comes
> > > > with
> > > > > >> some
> > > > > >> > > challenges in assimilation and integration, what entry points
> > are
> > > > > >> there, is
> > > > > >> > > there even interest (or is it a funding sinkhole).  And
> > ethically,
> > > > > >> should
> > > > > >> > > we develop defenses to teach to our young for identifying and
> > > > > >> combating
> > > > > >> > > faulty reasoning and logic, what forms this might take. Maybe
> > > > through
> > > > > >> > > introducing a broad immersion of diverse concepts they will
> > > > > >> self-immunize
> > > > > >> > > and make the changes generationally (and is that process fast
> > > > enough
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >> > > current/future challenges) if we just concentrate more on
> > > > exceptional
> > > > > >> > > qualitative development. It takes time and attention, people
> > are
> > > > > >> overworked
> > > > > >> > > and full of anxiety.
>
> > > > > >> > > I was trying to wrap my head around a challenge between
> > > > technology and
> > > > > >> > > culture a little while back that involved high performance
> > > > materials
> > > > > >> like
> > > > > >> > > stainless steel, high pressure steam and platinum plated
> > ceramics
> > > > and
> > > > > >> > > getting these things into the hands of your average third
> > world
> > > > > >> farming
> > > > > >> > > community or poorer. Then it hit me, people don't need a
> > source of
> > > > > >> gadgets,
> > > > > >> > > universities, a western way of life, industries and all that
> > to
> > > > > >> benefit
> > > > > >> > > from modern knowledge, all that is necessary is an accessible
> > > > > >> vehicle, a
> > > > > >> > > friend, neighbor, or community. A few minutes later I had
> > drafted
> > > > an
> > > > > >> > > integrated energy refinement system using natural resources
> > like
> > > > clay,
> > > > > >> > > wood, soil, and rock to produce clean, high efficiency
> > centralised
> > > > > >> heating
> > > > > >> > > with waste byproduct applications for sterile drinking water,
> > safe
> > > > > >> human
> > > > > >> > > waste processing, personal/laundry cleaning chemicals and
> > > > medicinal
> > > > > >> > > applications. It's gathering dust somewhere around here in the
> > > > form
> > > > > >> of a
> > > > > >> > > scribble and a few notes.
>
> > > > > >> > > An accessible vehicle for the modern layman might be in how
> > > > scientific
> > > > > >> > > approaches can be used to refine, redirect redefine and
> > optimize
> > > > our
> > > > > >> ends
> > > > > >> > > and means- and the Idols need to be outed as ill defined means
> > > > that
> > > > > >> set an
> > > > > >> > > unrealistically low bar for problem solving capacity. That is
> > one
> > > > > >> emphasis
> > > > > >> > > for science at the inroad of ethos, what potential could we
> > > > released
> > > > > >> by
> > > > > >> > > directing a portion of energy toward actually solving
> > problems and
> > > > > >> making
> > > > > >> > > solutions accessible? I wonder.
>
> > > > > >> > > Just a couple thoughts while trying to find that voice I put
> > down
> > > > > >> > > somewhere. ;-)
>
> > > > > >> > > On 5/18/2012 12:13 AM, archytas wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > >> My stance towards most moralising is one of
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