Re: Mind's Eye Re: An Icon Dies

Not me- I don't romanticize it.

I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
private labels?

It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.

Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.

Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
women, who have other flaws and faults.

Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.

On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In short we are living in the past.
>
> On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don!  I hoped Thatcher would
> > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it).  The
> > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > I think democracy is dead.  I suspect many of us worry about this
> > across the old political spectrum.  The left is haunted by Soviet
> > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo.  Most of us want government
> > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > what we want.  But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > wrong.  I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > were anti-convictionist.   I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > Soviet or global wage arbitrage.  I don't share rigs' views above now
> > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > and peer influence is at its greatest.  Quite why humans specialise in
> > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know.  I favour
> > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate.  I doubt people can stay
> > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world?  In games of
> > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > out the simple rules.  Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > obfuscation  We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > others in "free trade".  The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > world-wide standards on wages and conditions.  Rigs may rightly say
> > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > time.  Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs?  We can simulate -
> > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about.  From my practical
> > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > my own team had cornered a black market in them.  Further up the tree
> > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > kickbacks reach white pockets.  We can stop this kind of thing and
> > choose not to.  Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > social organisation and the role of terror in it.  Unemployment is
> > such a terror for some they commit suicide.  Suicide is almost a way
> > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo?  Economics and politics
> > should be a war against terror.  They ain't and rely on its
> > continuance.
>
> > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > which one Molly?  It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > late
> > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > thir
> > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > much
> > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > would
> > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > election
> > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > > > > > stalwart
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent
> > > > destruction of
> > > > > > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > > > > > over here
> > > > > > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and
> > > > expanding
> > > > > > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our
> > > > elected
> > > > > > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is
> > > > blissfully
> > > > > > > > > unaware
> > > > > > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses.
> > > > The
> > > > > > Iron
> > > > > > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > > > > > ignored
> > > > > > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction
> > > > to
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would
> > > > have
> > > > > > applied
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to having debates and discussions
> > > > > > with hairy
> > > > > > > > > > old men she must have seemed a Goddess.
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