Man was and is within Nature , there is the outer Nature and there is the Nature which is within you --your genes , emotions and drives which control your thought processes. You learn only that you are capable of learning and all your efforts arise from within you , though apparently you are controlling your mind but actually that control comes from within and that is the reason it is said that it is the will of God which man follows. That which is innate is above you and your conscious efforts are determined by the inner you , your innermost Nature.
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
Our senses lead us to understanding the wider world; they expand our
thoughts and understanding and can lead us to a virtuous life however
some never get beyond. This is an ancient thought when the stars and
heaven were sacred and man was a creature within Nature rather than
outside of it attempting to control Nature. (Not sure the world holds
a virtuous life in high esteem, however.)
On May 15, 11:30 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you are very right James external stimulus has always helped me and
> I enjoy it very much..
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:56 PM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That may be true of us all in the sense that the process of learning is
> > undertaken within each in unique ways, the external stimulus is valuable in
> > facilitating or motivating the inner. Taking part in that process as
> > facilitator to me represents the height of learning. It hit me that I was
> > wrong about something, I look to the trees for guidance at times, it is
> > fascinating how a single breath for them is what we call one day, it
> > reminds me that I am not a machine and need to breathe life deeply.
> > Whatever that means. :)
>
> > Thank you and others for the valuable and thoughtful responses, some
> > especially who are waiting patiently while I seem to drop a bomb then
> > disappear. I very much value the process and see it here frequently in
> > diverse ways.
>
> > Best foot forward as they say, and godspeed to us all. I'm rushing here,
> > so much to do! :)
>
> > On 5/15/2013 7:59 AM, Molly wrote:
>
> >> In response to James' inquiry about understanding himself as he
> >> observes his own process - intuition first - it seems you are your own
> >> best authority, James.
>
> >> On May 14, 9:44 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> You would argue with Aristotle, I presume. Hierarchy exists for a
> >>> reason.
>
> >>> You might be interested in an article on John le Carre (I think his
> >>> real name is David Cornwall) which appeared recently on the BBC site.
> >>> Sigh...at 81 he is still a dreamboat- and that's just his photo! He
> >>> has some more to write about- the demonization of Islam.
>
> >>> On May 14, 9:27 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I've found reading and writing more or less impossible for about 10
> >>>> years now - this may seem odd as I do a lot of both. More or less
> >>>> nothing comes without baggage I don't want and, of course, nothing
> >>>> survives the deconstruction of science or serious history. I know I
> >>>> don't really want much more than a few friends and security - but even
> >>>> this is to want a radically different society. Words are so
> >>>> difficult. Religion is a very difficult example. I'm not against
> >>>> what Molly or Gabby or Don do with it in their different ways - but it
> >>>> remains a control fraud in my world-view. Old stories in academe have
> >>>> the congregation as undergraduates, the sermon deliverers as masters
> >>>> and PhDs and researchers as the content and truth producers.
> >>>> Hierarchy is a religious term in origin. I'm revolted, less by the
> >>>> thought of this fiction, than the ease with which many swallow it.
> >>>> There is a spiral dynamic at work - we used to consider such in terms
> >>>> of RSVP cycles or an orchestra practising - you sort of (mostly) are
> >>>> never starting at the beginning but join in the cycle. A colleague
> >>>> did a PhD on the children's writer Enid Blyton - fair enough - one can
> >>>> investigate anything. I have no problem with this in-itself. The
> >>>> model sadly extends to
> >>>> a great deal of teaching in which the fictional nature of text-made-
> >>>> basic is elided. I doubt you know more management and economics after
> >>>> spending time with business school books, than you would after reading
> >>>> a few decent novels. A contradiction in all non-science learning
> >>>> concerns making texts into Idols to worship.
> >>>> Science only takes us so far and at heart is not very philosophical.
> >>>> I favour gardening and cooking analogies - the 'theory' has been
> >>>> called tropical fish realism. I follow advice from science books much
> >>>> as I follow gardening and cooking books - and think here, given
> >>>> equality of kitchen materials and food - whether we'd choose to eat my
> >>>> cooking or rigs'! Skill factors not always in the books and
> >>>> experiential learning are important. I spend time reading really
> >>>> complex stuff on the history of science - mostly German work of late
> >>>> and I'm not at all sure I understand better without the translation.
> >>>> My story of science starts in approximation by creatures of gravity in
> >>>> co-evolution - but gravity remains a label. This is some way from
> >>>> growing plants with recommended amounts of fertiliser, nematode
> >>>> biological warfare against slugs and strict instruction against
> >>>> digging in my raised beds to the cats and dog.
> >>>> Our cats all strayed in at some time and we have a male ginger that
> >>>> still doesn't trust me (one wonders on the poor thing's past trauma).
> >>>> On May 13, 11:46 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Not quite sure of your focus James. In terns of models, I like Spiral
> >>>>> Dynamics. It allows the recognition and inclusion of everyone in
> >>>>> their own terms.
> >>>>> On May 12, 11:19 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> You have a rapt audience Molly, I have many questions. I would be very
> >>>>>> interested in information regarding child developmental psychology and
> >>>>>> any individuals who have a story of their experiences and reflections
> >>>>>> written. I understand there are many types of people out there and I
> >>>>>> didn't think there was a word for it at all other than 'freak'. If you
> >>>>>> have knowledge on this I can't express how valuable some would find
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>>> Do any of them feel like a 'pool of reflection'? Sensitivity to lying
> >>>>>> and deceit? Is there any norm, parallels with autism, can they freely
> >>>>>> dissociate (as in the complex, but the book is useless in this
> >>>>>> instance)? Any statistical research out there, or terms I can use to
> >>>>>> find more? Spare nothing please, I will cripple google with the fury
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> my searches on your every word.
> >>>>>> On 5/12/2013 9:30 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I agree with you Molly
> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> " I seem to learn in reverse starting with an
> >>>>>>> intuitive bond but I'm no genius just weird"
> >>>>>>> IMHO being in-tune with the unseen (or infinite) is a
> >>>>>>> particularly
> >>>>>>> sensitive and rare form of perception. I am always surprised
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> delighted to find such a person. Listening to our instincts and
> >>>>>>> intuitions first, and allowing the material world to validate
> >>>>>>> naturally is living life inside out.
> >>>>>>> On May 11, 11:59 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > Glad you said it Allan, my enthusiasm told me to leave the box
> >>>>>>> alone. I
> >>>>>>> > think the term 'unknown commodity' fits, and there are some
> >>>>>>> strange
> >>>>>>> > varieties out there as I've known at least one, others are
> >>>>>>> suspect but
> >>>>>>> > as I can see how they would be driven nuts I won't be out
> >>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>> > interviewing. The curiosity crosses my mind at times on the
> >>>>>>> rare
> >>>>>>> > occasion that I catch the news of whether someone was just
> >>>>>>> another dumb
> >>>>>>> > nut or did we just lose another potential major asset to
> >>>>>>> civilization.
> >>>>>>> > Yes, if we worked to meet the needs of all without exception,
> >>>>>>> I said
> >>>>>>> > this exact thing to someone regarding cultural integration the
> >>>>>>> other day
> >>>>>>> > in regards to our cultural isolation. An ounce of
> >>>>>>> prevention.. a
> >>>>>>> pound
> >>>>>>> > of agression. It isn't even in the common vernacular I'm
> >>>>>>> afraid.
> >>>>>>> > I am at a loss for meaning to your last sentence my instincts
> >>>>>>> throw up
> >>>>>>> > red flags on the subject. A few times I've been able to
> >>>>>>> approach the
> >>>>>>> > subject by reassociating an external self to see things as a
> >>>>>>> story that
> >>>>>>> > I was free to speak the truth of and pursue compassion and say
> >>>>>>> 'Im so
> >>>>>>> > sorry that...', as an older person would say to a child. It's
> >>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>> > blank though, push some more and blank to freeze (it's good to
> >>>>>>> know the
> >>>>>>> > physiological effects of stress disorders there), push more
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> it's .
> >>>>>>> > morning shits and shakes for a few plus temporary immune
> >>>>>>> system
> >>>>>>> > shutdown. There are a variety of mental disciplines,
> >>>>>>> meditative
> >>>>>>> > techniques, insights into my nature, and preventive
> >>>>>>> disciplines
> >>>>>>> that can
> >>>>>>> > be derived from experiences but I can't tell him 'you deserve
> >>>>>>> better'
> >>>>>>> > because it's relevance ends as a gesture. The process is
> >>>>>>> intuitive with
> >>>>>>> > others, a born talent, I seem to learn in reverse starting
> >>>>>>> with an
> >>>>>>> > intuitive bond but I'm no genius just weird. ;-) My sense of
> >>>>>>> humor is
> >>>>>>> > improving though, not being understood is so damn BORING, it's
> >>>>>>> enough to
> >>>>>>> > make a person develop ADHD.
> >>>>>>> > On 5/11/2013 8:11 AM, Allan H wrote:
> >>>>>>> > > there is great value in systematic enlightenment,,, I also
> >>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>> > > though that in needs to be a attachment to those out of the
> >>>>>>> box and
> >>>>>>> > > not dismissing them.. knowledge and access to it is spread
> >>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>> > > out humanity. the problems comes when someone starts
> >>>>>>> saying I
> >>>>>>> > > deserve more.
> >>>>>>> > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:23 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> > > <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>>>
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