In case you haven't noticed yet, Neil, I am having an arrogance problem. I tend to not not take other people's fears serious, for I could give them reasons that their fears are irrational and can be solved. But then biological men are really stronger and banksters and elected representatives are really doing their job better than I do mine.
2013/5/20 archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
I missed most of the classics as a kid, coming to them in search of
metaphor for organisation theory. I don't find a lot in them now if
I'm honest. In terms of most human behaviour I'm inclined to the
view we focus on unitary views where the biology shows us plural
systems. We have also made the biological-scientific view something
it is not - as in daft stuff like men being stronger than women and
"thus should be subservient".
Parliament is debating gay marriage over the next two days (great live
television - er - not). Everyone should be equal in law, but various
cranks who want to opt out and not marry gays or divorced people if
they happen to be priests or registrars, apparently. It is much more
important that such as banksters and our elected representatives
should be equal to the rest of us in law. No debate on that.
Dan Brown is dull - but it seems dullness sells.
On 19 May, 15:41, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that equality, freedom, liberty, democracy are ruined concepts
> as they have been abused for wars and to garner votes. The USA
> Consitiution did not originally intend equality re women, slaves and
> the poor, for instance- that was a new concept. Even wealth cannot buy
> one social status and admiration, if that is a goal. I think there is
> a natural hierarchy to observe in the animal kingdom- unfortunately it
> consists of predator vs. prey. (Am thinking of re-reading The Divine
> Comedy by Dante after reading a rather dull chapter by Dan Brown from
> "Inferno". We read the Sayers version as sophomores in college.)
>
> On May 16, 7:06 pm, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > This is a draft that I found in my folder that I must have thought was
> > already sent out. Maybe I should have checked the status of the
> > discussion before I forwarded it now. I did not. But here we are,
> > anyway. Sorry for the fault!
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> > >>"This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - 'just
> > >>recognize it's an ideal with complexity.' "
>
> > I can agree with this to the extent that I feel equality as a
> > concept can only be held by first placing it in it's proper context-
> > Understanding. And Understanding is of the family
> > Knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding. The three point principles which make
> > up the Tree of Life, Referred to in the book of Revelation and on the
> > stone walls of the Pyramids of Egypt. Mistaken in modern religions as
> > the trinity of a Threefold-God.
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> > Without which, man will not be able to govern himself on a massive
> > level, and must depend on a governing body. When there is a governing
> > body among Man, there will be issues of the illusive concept of
> > Equality. To me, it appears that there is set of circumstances,
> > events, conditions, or other similar elements, that would cause the
> > soul to falter if it does not live out those three major Principles.
> > Does anyone remember what YVHV told the Israelite when they first
> > asked for a king to rule over them because of the age of Samuel?
> > Basically He told them that there will be NOTHING EQUAL between you
> > and the king (ruling body), he (the king) will take it all, ( 1 Samuel
> > 8 ). His craft to continue in today's world is to paint the allusion
> > that it is fair and equal.
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> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:01 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence
> > > equally. One quickly realises this can't work in full. I'm not
> > > giving maths lessons to all the kids round here who need them but am
> > > teaching my grandson. Most people can't even be trusted to find out
> > > simple and easily available facts in making decisions or coming to
> > > argument. There's an interesting example at -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely
> > > - which shows most in the US think things are more equal than they are
> > > and actually want them more equal than they think (already a massive
> > > fictional improvement on reality). I don't treat all women as equally
> > > as my partner.
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> > > This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - just
> > > recognise it's an ideal with complexity.
>
> > > Teaching has led me to the view that most people don't want to learn
> > > much. I suspect schooling inculcates this in most. I've had a glut
> > > of the stuff and can feel the bildung was for nothing in the freezing
> > > moral climate of banksterism, selfish, plastic society and the eye for
> > > the main chance. One teaches people who have to make their way in
> > > this world but we seem to teach them very little about it.
>
> > > If I ask students how much agriculture contributes to world GDP, most
> > > of the answers are between 30 - 60%. It's 4%. How did they get so
> > > dumb?
> > > If I show students where to find the information they can get the
> > > right answer. Sooner or later as a lecturer you discover students
> > > have to be led by the nose - only a few are really interested in
> > > thinking for themselves and becoming independent thinkers.
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> > > If the above is the case in universities, what hope is there for an
> > > educated populace capable in democracy? Our politicians have long
> > > given up on this as the case and are now vying for votes in emotional
> > > ignorance and the fantasy worlds generated by alienation from facts -
> > > even antipathy towards them.
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> > > Over here in the Banana Republic of the Sceptred Isle our PM Herr
> > > Cameroon has noticed hardly any kids get adopted any more and it takes
> > > over two years on average. This is dire evidence of jobsworth
> > > bureaucracy. I'm sure it is.
> > > I have noticed that "economics" pours nearly all available a monetary
> > > value can be put on into the hands of a few rich. This is evidence the
> > > economic system doesn't work. If he rings me up, I'll fix the
> > > adoption system - as long as he does his job on what I've noticed.
> > > Both these facts are true and admitting they are is important - but
> > > facts are not all there is to argument.
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> > > And argument is the blight of democracy - it isn't about investigation
> > > and enquiry. It's about persuasion of the populace - a populace to
> > > lazy to do its own work on the facts, tired of its failure in an
> > > education system that ensures there is no benefit in finding out for
> > > yourself.- Hide quoted text -
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