Eijeijei, Edward! Let me suggest a rearrangement of your setting. Let's say the life of a new human being begins in the womb - generally speaking. This life is a life as long as it is in continuous development and learning and change and movement. When the baby is born we say that the baby is born. It can be shown around the age of 18 month that the child is able to correctly identify its own body when looking into the mirror. Now that does not mean that the child would have needed more and earlier mirror exposition to come up with better movement coordination results - culture at that stage is still too weak to find something to hold onto in that body and mind, so to speak. But the mirror will become more and more the catalyst for your managing your change processes, yes. That's why you need to take good care of it! :)
2013/5/21 Edward Mason <masonedward058@gmail.com>
My argument would be that the learning process begins in the womb and is a part of the development; movement would be a direct indication. We have to learn to move the members the body. Once the baby is born, many of the previous restrictions on movement are removed, so it has to re-adjust to movement. It doesn't take nearly as much energy now to raise an arm; to extend a leg. It keeps the same knowledge that it acquired in order to move these members, but adjust to the difference in the environment. Therefore, for the purpose of understanding, let's say that the baby was born in the womb, and it was reborn once it left it.Now let us consider the mind of the child in development after birth. It absorbs all of the cultural values of the environment in which it is raised. In order for the child to believe anything other than what it has learned in regard to a belief system, there has to be some catalyst for change. Some times this can be as subtle as a curiosity that something is not adding up here, and then spend the rest of a natural life is search of something that fits.However, as history has proven from the records that we keep, most of us require a catalyst which threatens to bring to an end the three things that are most important to us. The three things that we learn to sacrifice everything for and to find justification for doing so at all cost, namely, Me, My and I.Wherefore, we say that the act of changing this is rebirth, or get a new bottle to put the new wine in, because the new wine will burst the old bottle.Our catalyst for change has progressively reached humanity. And since we are all essentially equal, we all have the ability and responsibility to fix it. The ruling bodies are only puppets in the hands of the ruling Factors.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:13 AM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
No, Edward. We are not born with holes that are waiting to become full-filled, nor are we born empty or can we become empty. Something has to happen to make us rethink, relearn, reevaluate to make new sense. But really this can be anything.--2013/5/20 Edward Mason <masonedward058@gmail.com>Trying to get the apple without seeing the tree. The tree is a despicable sight; it has objects of reflections on it, by which we are forced to see ourselves as we are: as opposed to how we think of ourselves/ how we would have others see us.We learn by applying knowledge to what we know; trying to make what we know make sense to us even though it remains filled with holes. It seems impossible to become empty so that we may be filled. If what we see does not fit what we think is, then we have not desire to investigate the true origins of each element, if necessary. With controlled experiments, we are left we experience. There is no substitute for experience, so at that point we may safely apply wisdom and understanding.Random thought patterns.--On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
I missed a lot of science and math :-)- that's why I'm glad I ran into
you!
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On May 20, 11:13 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I missed most of the classics as a kid, coming to them in search of
> metaphor for organisation theory. I don't find a lot in them now if
> I'm honest. In terms of most human behaviour I'm inclined to the
> view we focus on unitary views where the biology shows us plural
> systems. We have also made the biological-scientific view something
> it is not - as in daft stuff like men being stronger than women and
> "thus should be subservient".
> Parliament is debating gay marriage over the next two days (great live
> television - er - not). Everyone should be equal in law, but various
> cranks who want to opt out and not marry gays or divorced people if
> they happen to be priests or registrars, apparently. It is much more
> important that such as banksters and our elected representatives
> should be equal to the rest of us in law. No debate on that.
>
> Dan Brown is dull - but it seems dullness sells.
>
> On 19 May, 15:41, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I agree that equality, freedom, liberty, democracy are ruined concepts
> > as they have been abused for wars and to garner votes. The USA
> > Consitiution did not originally intend equality re women, slaves and
> > the poor, for instance- that was a new concept. Even wealth cannot buy
> > one social status and admiration, if that is a goal. I think there is
> > a natural hierarchy to observe in the animal kingdom- unfortunately it
> > consists of predator vs. prey. (Am thinking of re-reading The Divine
> > Comedy by Dante after reading a rather dull chapter by Dan Brown from
> > "Inferno". We read the Sayers version as sophomores in college.)
>
> > On May 16, 7:06 pm, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > This is a draft that I found in my folder that I must have thought was
> > > already sent out. Maybe I should have checked the status of the
> > > discussion before I forwarded it now. I did not. But here we are,
> > > anyway. Sorry for the fault!
>
> > > >>"This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - 'just
> > > >>recognize it's an ideal with complexity.' "
>
> > > I can agree with this to the extent that I feel equality as a
> > > concept can only be held by first placing it in it's proper context-
> > > Understanding. And Understanding is of the family
> > > Knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding. The three point principles which make
> > > up the Tree of Life, Referred to in the book of Revelation and on the
> > > stone walls of the Pyramids of Egypt. Mistaken in modern religions as
> > > the trinity of a Threefold-God.
>
> > > Without which, man will not be able to govern himself on a massive
> > > level, and must depend on a governing body. When there is a governing
> > > body among Man, there will be issues of the illusive concept of
> > > Equality. To me, it appears that there is set of circumstances,
> > > events, conditions, or other similar elements, that would cause the
> > > soul to falter if it does not live out those three major Principles.
> > > Does anyone remember what YVHV told the Israelite when they first
> > > asked for a king to rule over them because of the age of Samuel?
> > > Basically He told them that there will be NOTHING EQUAL between you
> > > and the king (ruling body), he (the king) will take it all, ( 1 Samuel
> > > 8 ). His craft to continue in today's world is to paint the allusion
> > > that it is fair and equal.
>
> > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:01 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence
> > > > equally. One quickly realises this can't work in full. I'm not
> > > > giving maths lessons to all the kids round here who need them but am
> > > > teaching my grandson. Most people can't even be trusted to find out
> > > > simple and easily available facts in making decisions or coming to
> > > > argument. There's an interesting example at -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely
> > > > - which shows most in the US think things are more equal than they are
> > > > and actually want them more equal than they think (already a massive
> > > > fictional improvement on reality). I don't treat all women as equally
> > > > as my partner.
>
> > > > This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - just
> > > > recognise it's an ideal with complexity.
>
> > > > Teaching has led me to the view that most people don't want to learn
> > > > much. I suspect schooling inculcates this in most. I've had a glut
> > > > of the stuff and can feel the bildung was for nothing in the freezing
> > > > moral climate of banksterism, selfish, plastic society and the eye for
> > > > the main chance. One teaches people who have to make their way in
> > > > this world but we seem to teach them very little about it.
>
> > > > If I ask students how much agriculture contributes to world GDP, most
> > > > of the answers are between 30 - 60%. It's 4%. How did they get so
> > > > dumb?
> > > > If I show students where to find the information they can get the
> > > > right answer. Sooner or later as a lecturer you discover students
> > > > have to be led by the nose - only a few are really interested in
> > > > thinking for themselves and becoming independent thinkers.
>
> > > > If the above is the case in universities, what hope is there for an
> > > > educated populace capable in democracy? Our politicians have long
> > > > given up on this as the case and are now vying for votes in emotional
> > > > ignorance and the fantasy worlds generated by alienation from facts -
> > > > even antipathy towards them.
>
> > > > Over here in the Banana Republic of the Sceptred Isle our PM Herr
> > > > Cameroon has noticed hardly any kids get adopted any more and it takes
> > > > over two years on average. This is dire evidence of jobsworth
> > > > bureaucracy. I'm sure it is.
> > > > I have noticed that "economics" pours nearly all available a monetary
> > > > value can be put on into the hands of a few rich. This is evidence the
> > > > economic system doesn't work. If he rings me up, I'll fix the
> > > > adoption system - as long as he does his job on what I've noticed.
> > > > Both these facts are true and admitting they are is important - but
> > > > facts are not all there is to argument.
>
> > > > And argument is the blight of democracy - it isn't about investigation
> > > > and enquiry. It's about persuasion of the populace - a populace to
> > > > lazy to do its own work on the facts, tired of its failure in an
> > > > education system that ensures there is no benefit in finding out for
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