Re: Mind's Eye trust

A demonstration of trust

On May 21, 8:22 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When you quote the Bible it is a simple religious answer , but when others
> refer from a book you call them book thumpers. Aren't you contradicting
> yourself or maybe you are playing  with two set of rules---one for yourself
> and your cronies and the other for the rest of us.
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> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not really RP  you asked a question and I gave you the simple answer
> > guideline are of a religious nature..
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> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Now , aren't we being book-thumpers , Allan ?
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> >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> In the western world it basically known as the 10 commandments or above
> >>> all do know harm..  as for India RP I would ask vam he is far better versed
> >>> in Hindi than I am.
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> >>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> " the importance staying within guidelines God laid down to follow.."
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> >>>> What are those guidelines and when and where did God lay them down ?
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> >>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> I have been thinking about trust,  it seems we lose it via lies,
> >>>>> dishonesty and distortion of the truth.  It is difficult to trust when
> >>>>> those a person or organizations a persons trusts are constantly violating
> >>>>> that trust. I seriously think that people's souls have forgotten they are
> >>>>> accountable for even the small dishonesty or the importance staying within
> >>>>> guidelines God laid down to follow..  Sad really
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> >>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>> Machiavellian intelligence has been a useful concept for me in
> >>>>>> dealing with manipulative, intelligent, and dominating personalities. How
> >>>>>> this relates to trust, in my view prominently, is in reciprocation of
> >>>>>> honesty and mutual respect. Identifying a bully in one of the three above
> >>>>>> is easy as pie but can get confusing as skill increases across them all, it
> >>>>>> can leave one questioning themselves, which most of the tactics are
> >>>>>> targeting vulnerability or creating through unease. In turn what can be
> >>>>>> gained is an immunity to those tactics and self recognition, as the rules
> >>>>>> of the schoolground go or older siblings learning regret for toughening up
> >>>>>> their little brother. The chaffing and soreness just isn't worth the rub
> >>>>>> though, I am wondering why so many find themselves in a position beneath
> >>>>>> such, and think a good many rules are in place to keep a balance. If one
> >>>>>> lacks trust of self it seems they would have to endure and persevere at the
> >>>>>> mercy of the games Molly. I mean that winceingly.
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> >>>>>> There is a great and well-guided side to it also! :) I am curious why
> >>>>>> I keep thinking of 'motivation' when I try to place this into a
> >>>>>> psychodynamic (unintended redundancy) context.
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> >>>>>> On 5/20/2013 4:28 PM, Molly wrote:
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> >>>>>>> Not sure those models help us if we find ourselves witholding trust
> >>>>>>> although not sure why.  theories are great, but if I cannot trust,
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> want to, the theories aren't all that helpful.
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> >>>>>>> On May 20, 12:24 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> Most of us in organisational development gave up on the love-trust
> >>>>>>>> model because we saw it as dangerous.  The reality is Machiavellian.
> >>>>>>>> Chris Argyris is probably the major writer in this area -
> >>>>>>>> essentially
> >>>>>>>> we need to work with theories-in-use rather than espoused theories.
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> >>>>>>>> On 20 May, 12:11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>  Yes, indeed.  our first basic trust lessons come early.  I was
> >>>>>>>>> always
> >>>>>>>>> interested to see how ruthless children can be.  I suppose they
> >>>>>>>>> learn
> >>>>>>>>> it somewhere.  Left unchecked, it can grow into the now cliche
> >>>>>>>>> bullying that they tell us is part of growing up.  Part of life,
> >>>>>>>>> actually, as my mother in law was a bully, and I watched he methods
> >>>>>>>>> become more subtle as time went after her overt methods were no
> >>>>>>>>> longer
> >>>>>>>>> taken seriously. I think we learn, as time goes on, the currency of
> >>>>>>>>> trust - the exchange of trust and trustworthiness.  It is as
> >>>>>>>>> misused
> >>>>>>>>> as any other currency, but when used efficiently, brings quality to
> >>>>>>>>> life.
> >>>>>>>>> On May 19, 10:22 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> Re children and trust- a good test is to slice the pie and watch
> >>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> eyes judging if each piece is exactly the same size or who got
> >>>>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>>>> Christmas presents, etc.= sibling whining-rivalry. It may be
> >>>>>>>>>> traced to
> >>>>>>>>>> self-interest over-riding trust in the family or group. Check out
> >>>>>>>>>> Probate Court! The first sins of Genesis display this quite well-
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> the point of expulsion and the first human murder.//Alert citizens
> >>>>>>>>>> know the games being played in their cultures- do they accept or
> >>>>>>>>>> avoid
> >>>>>>>>>> them? And what exactly is glorified in the various cultures of
> >>>>>>>>>> human
> >>>>>>>>>> history? I think that's where the answer lies.//As for the
> >>>>>>>>>> media/news-
> >>>>>>>>>> there is something warped that becomes intoxicated with violence,
> >>>>>>>>>> crime, bad weather, Hollywood breasts, etc. Now local tweets play
> >>>>>>>>>> under the news so we can get the immediate and ignorant reaction
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> every tom-dick and harry which has supplanted the ancient water
> >>>>>>>>>> well
> >>>>>>>>>> or tavern for gossipy opinion.//On the other hand, children have a
> >>>>>>>>>> good reason to distrust if they are unfortunate to be born to
> >>>>>>>>>> twisted
> >>>>>>>>>> parents. Even animals are trained on how to survive in the
> >>>>>>>>>> wild...and
> >>>>>>>>>> the world is wild (Rollo May called it psychotic, I believe).
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 3:24 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that fear is a big part of the inability to trust.  Fear
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> what can become blurry.  A general fear expressed as a lack of
> >>>>>>>>>>> self
> >>>>>>>>>>> trust - no trust that you can act and prevail, or preserver
> >>>>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>>>> the suffering...
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 3:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can not help but wonder of how much are news media is at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fault.. It seems
> >>>>>>>>>>>> as if they work at instilling fear.. it seems all that is on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the news is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> extreme dramatic footage and it is taken to the extreme always
> >>>>>>>>>>>> trying for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the most dramatic footage and continuing to hammer it home
> >>>>>>>>>>>> never letting it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> go until the next terror story comes along.. a recent example
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of this would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be the Boston bombing.. 24 hr day coverage no let up  ..  with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that kind of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> coverage how can you expect people not to be frightened..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trust is subject to wobbly definition Moll - I've been reading
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dire stuff on neuroeconomics of late.  Sue always has it that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> alien
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ethnographers would be appalled to discover how frightened
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of each other.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 May, 12:44, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I read of Pope Francis condemnation of wealth  ,, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought of you
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problems of Detroit which you face daily..  The voice of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your soul is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong and it will guide you well,,  you are one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people I do trust
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   you have a great capacity for understanding..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think he will be popular with the Republican party
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  as his words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will carry greeat weight among Catholics and other people of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> morality..  what he did do is create a rallying point and a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> echos in reality and history..  the Gold Calf economics has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had  its veil
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ripped off..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life has been very good to me in the last couple of decades
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning to trust myself enough to take a few bold steps and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart, or intuition as James puts it.  Sometimes my inner
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leads me places that do not seem rational, are totally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfamiliar or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes me out of my comfort zone.  I had to learn the hard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life improves if I am willing to trust myself and what life
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer.  This is much easier as a recluse.  Being now dropped
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metro decay and corruption (even though improvement in this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> city can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be seen almost daily) I find myself not trusting and with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good reason,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or so it seems.  Sometimes I think about the story of St.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francis,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> begging for food as was
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