Re: Mind's Eye trust

Most of us in organisational development gave up on the love-trust
model because we saw it as dangerous. The reality is Machiavellian.
Chris Argyris is probably the major writer in this area - essentially
we need to work with theories-in-use rather than espoused theories.

On 20 May, 12:11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, indeed.  our first basic trust lessons come early.  I was always
> interested to see how ruthless children can be.  I suppose they learn
> it somewhere.  Left unchecked, it can grow into the now cliche
> bullying that they tell us is part of growing up.  Part of life,
> actually, as my mother in law was a bully, and I watched he methods
> become more subtle as time went after her overt methods were no longer
> taken seriously. I think we learn, as time goes on, the currency of
> trust - the exchange of trust and trustworthiness.  It is as misused
> as any other currency, but when used efficiently, brings quality to
> life.
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> On May 19, 10:22 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Re children and trust- a good test is to slice the pie and watch their
> > eyes judging if each piece is exactly the same size or who got better
> > Christmas presents, etc.= sibling whining-rivalry. It may be traced to
> > self-interest over-riding trust in the family or group. Check out
> > Probate Court! The first sins of Genesis display this quite well- to
> > the point of expulsion and the first human murder.//Alert citizens
> > know the games being played in their cultures- do they accept or avoid
> > them? And what exactly is glorified in the various cultures of human
> > history? I think that's where the answer lies.//As for the media/news-
> > there is something warped that becomes intoxicated with violence,
> > crime, bad weather, Hollywood breasts, etc. Now local tweets play
> > under the news so we can get the immediate and ignorant reaction of
> > every tom-dick and harry which has supplanted the ancient water well
> > or tavern for gossipy opinion.//On the other hand, children have a
> > good reason to distrust if they are unfortunate to be born to twisted
> > parents. Even animals are trained on how to survive in the wild...and
> > the world is wild (Rollo May called it psychotic, I believe).
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> > On May 17, 3:24 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I think that fear is a big part of the inability to trust.  Fear of
> > > what can become blurry.  A general fear expressed as a lack of self
> > > trust - no trust that you can act and prevail, or preserver through
> > > the suffering...
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> > > On May 17, 3:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > I can not help but wonder of how much are news media is at fault.. It seems
> > > > as if they work at instilling fear.. it seems all that is on the news is
> > > > extreme dramatic footage and it is taken to the extreme always trying for
> > > > the most dramatic footage and continuing to hammer it home never letting it
> > > > go until the next terror story comes along.. a recent example of this would
> > > > be the Boston bombing.. 24 hr day coverage no let up  ..  with that kind of
> > > > coverage how can you expect people not to be frightened..
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> > > > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Trust is subject to wobbly definition Moll - I've been reading some
> > > > > dire stuff on neuroeconomics of late.  Sue always has it that alien
> > > > > ethnographers would be appalled to discover how frightened people are
> > > > > of each other.
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> > > > > On 17 May, 12:44, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > When I read of Pope Francis condemnation of wealth  ,, I thought of you
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the problems of Detroit which you face daily..  The voice of your soul is
> > > > > > strong and it will guide you well,,  you are one of the people I do trust
> > > > > >  you have a great capacity for understanding..
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> > > > > > I do not think he will be popular with the Republican party  as his words
> > > > > > will carry greeat weight among Catholics and other people of strong
> > > > > > morality..  what he did do is create a rallying point and a voice that
> > > > > > echos in reality and history..  the Gold Calf economics has had  its veil
> > > > > > ripped off..
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> > > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Life has been very good to me in the last couple of decades after
> > > > > > > learning to trust myself enough to take a few bold steps and follow my
> > > > > > > heart, or intuition as James puts it.  Sometimes my inner guidance
> > > > > > > leads me places that do not seem rational, are totally unfamiliar or
> > > > > > > takes me out of my comfort zone.  I had to learn the hard way that
> > > > > > > life improves if I am willing to trust myself and what life has to
> > > > > > > offer.  This is much easier as a recluse.  Being now dropped into
> > > > > > > metro decay and corruption (even though improvement in this city can
> > > > > > > be seen almost daily) I find myself not trusting and with good reason,
> > > > > > > or so it seems.  Sometimes I think about the story of St. Francis,
> > > > > > > begging for food as was the custom.  the homeless in Detroit are all
> > > > > > > over the streets, as is the case really with all US cities, and I
> > > > > > > haven't yet found peace with their approach.
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> > > > > > > On May 16, 3:54 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I know I do extend trust..  yet I am always watching and listening..
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> > > > > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Every adult I know has trust issues of one kind or another.
> > > > >  Children
> > > > > > > > > are the only people I have seen with complete trust, and not all of
> > > > > > > > > them have it, and most of them lose it somewhere along the line.
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> > > > > > > > > Some people always extend trust initially, and then withdraw when
> > > > > > > > > trust has been breached.  Some people think that trust must always
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > earned. Steven Covey Jr. thinks that trust is the number one issue
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the work place, and that an office culture cannot be healthy or
> > > > > > > > > successful consistent trust building behaviors extended by all
> > > > > > > > > employees.
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> > > > > > > > > An issue with trust can be overt, like not trusting any other
> > > > > person
> > > > > > > > > and thinking that everyone "hurts" or lies or cheats.  Or an issue
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > be very subtle, like not trusting that life has anything to offer.
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> > > > > > > > > What do you think?
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> > > > > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > > > > > Of course I talk to myself,
> > > > > > > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
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> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > > > Of course I talk to myself,
> > > > > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
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> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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