what Gabby sent was right.. what is the thing with the prisoner of war camp the US insist on keeping or at least the republicans insist on.. actually It would be fun to set up a house of horrors especially built for them.. bet in three days or less I could get them willing to resign form politics and give me all their personal money and family fortunes.. The problem is I am not allowed to do harm so sad sometimes
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
Lovely Gabby.
I can't other than agree Molly. I've held (as long as Allan has his
soul-god thingy) that there is far less individual about the human
that we think - Gabby mentions a bit of the German for gossip in
another thread and I doubt much human communication is much more than
this and we struggle to realise how connected with hierarchy it is.
We find ourselves working with "individuals" when we need to work with
the network. Continuing the Freudian theme, the best individuals come
from the best societies and the best societies are made by the best
individuals. Gabby's ain't it so not fits that too. We now split the
electron into holon, spinon and orbiton but still struggle to see
multiple aspects of such as trust.
On May 25, 9:12 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, it ain't.
> communi Am 25.05.2013 07:20 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
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> > ain't that the truth
>
> > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Trust is all too often manipulated onto people who don't understand,
> >> and there are far too many. then there are people who understand, but
> >> allow, because they feel they are powerless do do otherwise. all of
> >> it gives us a picture of ourselves that we either recognize or look
> >> away from.
>
> >> On May 24, 4:35 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I don't really want to imagine a Hollywood version of Gitmo Gabby. By
> >> > the end we'd believe a truth machine turned all the evil terrorists
> >> > orange. We've just had a terrorist moment in the UK - the killing of
> >> > a soldier in Woolwich (Drummer Rigby). The idiots who did it were
> >> > well known activists. There's a trust issue in even this sort of
> >> > stuff. When you can't trust politics what are you supposed to do?
> >> > The Germans should have saved us a lot of bother by protesting the
> >> > Nazis - a few did. Democracy is supposed to give voice to minority
> >> > opinion but rarely does.
>
> >> > Even on stuff like climate change we have big problems.The so-called
> >> > "deficit model" suggests that the public lacks certain knowledge that
> >> > if it were known properly (so closing the deficit) would lead them to
> >> > favor certain policy actions. In other words, if only you understood
> >> > the "facts" as I understand them, then you would come to share my
> >> > policy preferences.
>
> >> > The deficit model helps to explain why people argue so passionately
> >> > about "facts" in public debates over policies with scientific
> >> > components. If you believe that acceptance of certain scientific views
> >> > is a precondition for, or a causal factor in determining what policy
> >> > views people hold, then arguments over facts serve as political debate
> >> > by proxy.
>
> >> > Dan Kahan, professor of psychology at Yale Law School, has conducted
> >> > several studies of public views on climate change and finds that the
> >> > causal mechanisms of the "deficit model" actually work in reverse:
> >> > people typically "form risk perceptions that are congenial to their
> >> > values." Our political views shape how we interpret facts. On an issue
> >> > as complex as climate, there are enough data and interpretations to
> >> > offer support to almost any political agenda. Thus we have arguments
> >> > over the degree or lack of consensus among scientists, and see efforts
> >> > to delegitimise outlier positions in order to assert one true and
> >> > proper interpretation. Added to the mix is the temptation to push
> >> > "facts" beyond what science can support, which offers each side the
> >> > opportunity for legitimate critique of the excesses of their
> >> > opponents. These dynamics can (and do) go on forever.
>
> >> > We obviously do much the same on such matters as imperialism and
> >> > terrorism. The killing in London was a breach of trust - but I can
> >> > show the same breach in which investments made by a US university lead
> >> > to dead black bodies in the Congo. I was conned a a young man into
> >> > believing I could work virtuously for my country as a soldier - this
> >> > turned out not to be true. I deeply regret some of what I did, though
> >> > things might have been worse if it had been someone else than me. The
> >> > techniques used to bind you to comrades in arms are, of course,
> >> > propaganda.
>
> >> > A big problem with trust is it is so easy to manipulate. I don't
> >> > trust most people to enter argument on the basis their mind might
> >> > change.
>
> >> > On 24 May, 15:48, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > You may be right rigs. that hero's quest moves us along in ways that
> >> > > include our infinite aspects. I also like Andrew's insight into the
> >> > > relationship between trust and forgiveness. You may be on to
> >> > > something there, Andrew.
>
> >> > > On May 24, 8:33 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Some may have been trained not to trust from the start and live out
> >> > > > the prophecies imposed as if in a dream. Hopefully love and
> >> education
> >> > > > can change the script and intercede when old grooves of thought/
> >> > > > response pop up. But a good deal of life/decisions look pretty
> >> > > > irrational in retrospect- at least for me. Perhaps the struggle/
> >> > > > correction is what Campbell would call a hero/heroine's quest.
>
> >> > > > On May 24, 6:45 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > I suppose there is a difference between trust and bad decision
> >> making,
> >> > > > > but you are right, the difference appears to be subtle in some
> >> cases.
> >> > > > > When our experience is deconstructing, can we trust that
> >> everything
> >> > > > > will be alright without falling into the dark emotions attached to
> >> > > > > memories of things gone wrong? It might be in our nature to do
> >> so, or
> >> > > > > we might be trained at an early age to do so, and a leap of faith
> >> may
> >> > > > > be necessary for reprogramming our first responses.
> >> Deconstruction is
> >> > > > > part of life. So is chaos. Yet I see many crying the sky is
> >> falling
> >> > > > > at the first sign. Seems to me a lack of trust - maybe self
> >> trust.
>
> >> > > > > On May 23, 6:20 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > I met him. He was a good pianist and great company. Much of
> >> what he
> >> > > > > > did was actually common sense. I might, for instance, suggest
> >> I am so
> >> > > > > > in love with rigs that I am sharpening my sword at this very
> >> moment to
> >> > > > > > enter the circles of Hell to save her soul. My cunning plan
> >> might, in
> >> > > > > > fact, be to send Allan with his pellet gun! Laing found that
> >> much
> >> > > > > > professed as love was in fact part of a control strategy. I
> >> am, in
> >> > > > > > fact, far too fond of rigs to want to stop her dancing with
> >> Dante. My
> >> > > > > > grandson enjoyed the video game without noticing the love
> >> story. He
> >> > > > > > is good at the killing for such a sensitive boy. Max loves him
> >> dearly
> >> > > > > > (strategy - turn boy to extra walk butler?)
>
> >> > > > > > One of the dark features of trust can be seen in such as child
> >> sexual
> >> > > > > > grooming or the Stockholm effect. Molly's not comparing
> >> herself to
> >> > > > > > others and just loving when she can seems right to me - though
> >> a good
> >> > > > > > time girl might just say the same words with another meaning!
> >> One of
> >> > > > > > the theories on autism is 'intense world theory' - rather than
> >> being
> >> > > > > > insensitive to social perception they get such far more
> >> intensely than
> >> > > > > > most of us (thus they are overwhelmed and have to compensate
> >> > > > > > internally). I suspect there are a number of categories
> >> amongst us in
> >> > > > > > terms of 'trust decisions'. Tolerance of ambiguity - as in the
> >> Neil
> >> > > > > > is looking at Gabby who is looking at Allan example - to get
> >> through
> >> > > > > > to the factual-logical is quite rare.
>
> >> > > > > > Very few people talk much about how they come to trust. I
> >> don't think
> >> > > > > > I would ever have signed up for a loan with an interest rate
> >> swap
> >> > > > > > contract - but many did. How did they get conned - given I
> >> could
> >> > > > > > explain the dangers in a couple of minutes? I suspect their
> >> trust was
> >> > > > > > swooned,partly because they were conned by lying script
> >> selling, but
> >> > > > > > also because their is little rational in most human decision
> >> making.
>
> >> > > > > > On 23 May, 07:42, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > The infinite is very difficult to come to grips with.. it can
> >> not be done
> >> > > > > > > if it is not examined with effort put in to understanding
> >> it,, now I do
> >> > > > > > > not even begin to understand ego I know it is in
> >> relationship to "I" but
> >> > > > > > > it always seem to lead me back the the acronym EGO = Easing
> >> God Out
> >> > > > > > > Yes never read Laing but reading about him as he was
> >> existentialist he can
> >> > > > > > > not be all bad..
>
> >> > > > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > For me, it is difficult to put reasonable terms to the
> >> infinite.
> >> > > > > > > > Although I do think that the soul is a part of us and holds
> >> our
> >> > > > > > > > individual aspect of the infinite, like the ego holds our
> >> finite
> >> > > > > > > > aspect- I can't say how it has effected my life, other than
> >> I know I
> >> > > > > > > > feel it always and listen more closely when "hearing" it.
> >> Let those
> >> > > > > > > > with ears hear.
>
> >> > > > > > > > I have stopped trying to compare myself to others, and just
> >> love when
> >> > > > > > > > I can. I find more peace there.
>
> >> > > > > > > > On May 22, 2:48 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > I was reading what you were saying,, I can not help but
> >> wonder if this
> >> > > > > > > > > ability to see into and react does not come from an
> >> earlier time of the
> >> > > > > > > > > soul.. the more I watch different things saying a
> >> persons personality is
> >> > > > > > > > > really the personality of the soul with almost what
> >> would appear to be
> >> > > > > > > > > a indication of soul development. The ability to work
> >> through and evolve.
> >> > > > > > > > > Think over what has been said recently I am think people
> >> only slightly
> >> > > > > > > > > modify their behavior and it seem to start from birth.
> >> (looking at my
> >> > > > > > > > own
> >> > > > > > > > > brothers and sister none of them have ever changed their
>
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