Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

It will be interesting to see if facilitator's view of people banding together to respond to a common threat or enemy doesn't come to pass quickly here with North Korea publicizing their missal testing in such a big way.  Hold on to your hat, pontiff.

On Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08:06 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

I think you are demanding opinions, you live in a very small country, what works there does not work elsewhere. A combination ideas may work. But you have offered no solutions.
I have ideas and I am working toward implementation of them, but they are not open for discussion. Your topic has been discussed, apparently you did not like the responses because they don't fit your ideas.
For me war and violence are not a solution, I may understand why there are problems, that does not mean I approve of the chosen solutions. The best I can do is plant seeds, most people condemn and ridicule. That is their problem, everyone's soul has the right to respond to 'do no harm' as hey see fit. It is not my place to condemn their interpretation, they are responsible for themselves, just as I am accountable for my actions. Sadly denial is not an excuse.    

Allan
A Living Soul


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From: andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

To understand the rest of this group correctly, you either do not have an opinion on this at the moment, (ie. you don`t know) or you don`t care. 

On Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:29:31 PM UTC+2, andrew vecsey wrote:

To understand you correctly, you prefer to force families to stay together (for the sake of the children) even though one or both parents would rather divorce. As far as your opinion on this at the national level, I do not really understand what your opinion is.  It seems to me that you prefer to have them fight it out (like in the "Good, Bad and the Ugly")

On Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:15:24 PM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:

Okay, if you insist, we make it the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

And, yes of course, people should be forced to admit who their family is. Children deserve that. As for territorial separation as a form of gerrymandering, yes, also men's drawing beautiful straight lines through the African continent will catch him up one day.

The internet and social media could help to make things more transparent.

Am Dienstag, 12. August 2014 17:08:29 UTC+2 schrieb facilitator:

Again, as I said earlier, both instances of separation US vs Britain and Europe vs Soviet Union were the result of people banding together to conquer the common enemy.  In the case of the family or any other unit of people I don't agree with "forcing" people together.    In terms of "fighting to the bitter end" many world conflicts are resolved by bringing the opposition to its knees.   Conflicts that are never resolved only force the greater destruction over generations of time.  

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:05:25 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

All the participants in this discussion except me, as far as I understand, are against giving people the choice to separate and be independent of the country they find themselves in. It seems to me that it means that all the participants that are against this "friendly separation" must be in favor of letting people fight to the bitter end for their separation, and/or for forcing people to stay united against their will.

My question to you all is the following: Do you feel the same way about forcing people to live together against their will also in families like in the case of divorce.

A second question: How about past historic events of "separation" like that in America from the British, or more recently in the eastern block countries in Europe from the Soviet Union'     

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:24:16 PM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:

......And no, I don't buy the friendly separation. You develop in different directions, yes. I find the choice argument particularly often used by those who have not been fairly voted into their ownership status btw.

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