Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Local politics for the most part is good..but they are apples and oranges. The problem lies in the greed related mostly to the national level and it is very controlled like sheep being lead to slaughter. That is all political parties, leaves one wondering where is this strange control coming from. I know it thrives on confusion.


Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

I know many people who live in the US that hold your view about Washington DC or national politics.  I am talking about local, grass roots politics.  Both exist and are related, but may be apples and oranges in terms of this conversation.

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:15:57 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

I know it is not as I imply, but their actions in the congress say differently. Example is medical insurance and the excessively high cost hospitals. The republican party leadership has fought it tooth and nail. Like taxing the well off, due to political whips keeping membership with threats and political terrorism.
When income tax was introduced our national debt was $35,000.oo that is not a typo. Since then it has grown into the trillions. When Reagan took over the national debt was right around 1 trillion dollars. During the Clinton era the debt level dropped. During republican administration eras especially when totally the policy was do not raise taxes raise the national debt level let future generations deal with the financial problems of debt they created.
They even created the line item veto so they could eliminate democratic liberal programs. But the second it as against the republican wasteful programs in add on legislation. It was wrong and they immediately eliminated the legislation.

The list goes on and on. Now tell me how they support community and people. The only families I see them supporting is their own personal family, and friends . Communities, unless it is for their getting or financial gain.

The republican party is directly responsible for the majority of world problems today. They are totally lacking in for sight for the benefit of humanity. The democrats are not much better.

American politicians today lack intestinal fortitude aka the BALLS to do what is morally correct. 
 

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

people who make politics their life never do anything but.  I know plenty of politicians who also support family and community.  Every politician affiliated with with Republican party is not as you imply, you are generalizing and applying bias.  No sweat, it is done all the time.  I encourage a different view, but it doesn't change the state of US politics.  I am not so sure it wasn't the same when Washington or Lincoln were president.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:51:39 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Lol tell that to today's republican party. It seems they have there own adgenda and it is not the best interest of the US.

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

politics will always do what politics does.  It is by nature divisive. When the voting is over, we still have to come together to implement law in communities and live together. 

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 12:38:13 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

That is very true, usually you find what you are looking for.

As for politics. I remember those days, sadly it started down hill with Reagan. It seems in the US politics has lost its connection  with humanity and for the good of the community. Now it is only for what the politicians can get.

When the republican house voted to sue the president, I wonder if they realize the can of worms they opened. Have they considered that accepting a cup of coffee from a person seeking a political favor is in reality a bribe. All of the house members have gone far beyond that. I think it is referred to as SOP or standard operating procedure. May be they need to be sued for accepting a bribe, hiding it under just doing their job.

Politics has radically changed. 

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 2:28 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Anyone looking for an enemy will find one.  Opposition is common and often brings misery. Unity is extraordinary and often brings joy. My mentor was head of the Republican party in our county for decades and a master politician. But one thing he taught all of us lucky enough to be in a position to learn from him, was to unify people to create change. This is a change that lasts, and I can see that many of the grass roots programs that we put into place in the county are still going strong today, powered by people who volunteer their time and money to make their community a great place to live and raise their children. With enough people working together like this, a community is strong enough to endure problems that come up, and resolve conflicts created by those who thrive on opposition and misery. This happened under his watch, and continues to happen in that community, because he acted as a compassionate human being first, and sought to improve all lives in the county, not worrying about affiliations or judgments.  He left that to the political system, one of the strongest in the state. He also did not mind at all that I had no interest in the politics.  A person had to be a republican to hold office in that county it seemed, but to work as a grass roots activist working for the common good organizing communities to support families and children, everyone was welcomed and supported. You might be surprise just how many people in a community fit that description, given conditions to succeed.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:33:00 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Common interest is what unites people together. This interest can change very fast making enemies out of friends and visa versa in a matter of minutes.

On Friday, August 8, 2014 7:35:14 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:

I don't think that opposition is what binds us together - a common reason to be against. .....Our differences, on occasion, may create movement between us.  But so do our similarities. .....

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