Bidets were apparently invented by French furniture makers and thus objects of extreme suspicion for the English. Remarkably, I'm actually serious that such day-to-day paperless office functions challenge the ideologies that have led us to this non-deep-green mess. The old adage that life is a septic tank and the really big bits float to the top no doubt - yet I really am serious that deep green challenges everything including all notions on human rationality. Tony could no doubt sculpt us a 'car wash for the nether regions' for the foyer of our new club building. Even our language would change - no guesses needed for what 'going off to shoot the breeze' would come to mean.
-- About half every 'act impossible to mention functions' in India take place in non-toilets (on grass a bit like Wimbledon). There are 800,000 infant deaths there every year and a collapse in the effectiveness of antibiotics is now linked to these practices. Whereas we have been talking about these new superbugs being created in hospitals through overuse of antibiotics there, in India they are being created locally, with mothers now infecting their own children. 90% of prescription (often not needed anyway) is by 'quacks' in the private system. This is almost too horrible to talk about - in contrast, say, to Molly's excellent spiral dynamic on the lovely (rightly so) possibilities of deep green.
In the 'real world' (Molly has a good a grasp on this as anyone I've met) it's very clear to me the alternatives are between deep green and war. The model of globalisation I worked with for more than 30 years concerns bacteria colonies under glass - these often poison themselves in their own effluent long before exhausting the substrate they live on (how human of them we might say) and 'economics as war by other means' - this subject is so stupid and anti-scientific it may as well be the Inquisition. We may as well, frankly, engage in toilet humour as discuss the 'economic muck'. Economics is a bit like Tony's 'fruit chucking' as a contribution to the ant and other arthropod economy - a complex system we really share with the non-human ignored at the very start in a subject claiming to be 'stochastic' - it's like me doing endless regressions, integrations and multiple Gaussian copula to prove 'phlogiston theory'.
Imagine a project to 'bring decent sanitation to India'. Economics is really a moral subject. Anyone any moral objections to the project? Anyone really think we don't have the manpower and resources to do this? The business plan is actually obvious, yet once we get past the goody-two-shoes stuff, another set of moral deep green questions rear a very ugly head. Can we really modernise the 'third world' ( note how difficult it is to talk without patronising ' "manpower", "third world") and let it breed the planet to death? What real complexities should we be talking about? One is that we need population control. Others concern 'beggar thy neighbour economics of war' - there is no way in the current insanestream to bring everyone up to "western standards" without environmental collapse and cede control through military dominance - currently the US umbrella (itself made possible through economic dominance - the key non-debate in economics). In the micro-organism world, not bringing sanitation to India, produces superbugs that could destroy western modernity (obviously an oxymoron term - we are as 'modern' as the gorillas with guns in Planet of the Apes). In the real world, we humans carry more bacteria and viruses in what we call our bodies, than cells we can safely call human. The first words in alien first contact might well be them saying 'Good Lord, quarantine those filthy beasts'.
On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:39:52 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:39:52 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
Nee nee and double nee after years of fine tuning we gave rge bidet fine tuned to the perfect temperature.. call me avwussy but no more skid marks..
Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: how close are any of us to the 'deep green'?--Even toilet paper and tissues are forbidden. Instead, its 60 employees use Geberit Aqua Clean 'shower toilets'. Shower toilets are a cross between a traditional toilet and a bidet.An integrated shower function is started by pressing a button, and a nozzle extends that sprays warm water. A dryer then removes the water.Moving to Geberit from bog paper demonstrates just how radical deep green is. Sue has just noted publication of my novel will be difficult once the toilet paper ban is in force.Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:44:03 PM UTC, archytas wrote:We will need a deep green HQ and to take on the vital core value of banning toilet paper - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2860696/ Would-work-office-banned- toilet-paper-Futuristic-firm- runs-paperless-workplace- powered-wind-water.html
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:26:00 PM UTC, archytas wrote:With Allan's new found detective abilities I sense the time is right to launch our version of 'The Four Just Men'. No doubt our resident feminists will see this as more evidence of our regression into boys' games, but there was always 'The Zoo Gang' for gender balance. I had Andrew in mind for our hitman, using his cover as an operative in the chocolate ant conspiracy. Molly is a banker for 'M' on name alone and Gabby for the role of 'The Needle', trained in Tibet to be the only person who really knows what is going on, like the horse in Cervantes. Don Johnson is a shoe in for the liaison role with US secret services. Tony's cover as starving artist and eco-terrorist (fruit speciality - though aren't bananas herbs?) is especially secure. Sadly, our sobriquet 'the red hand gang' was taken by 'Just William' some decades ago, so some work needed on that.Indeed, Just William gives us a platform for suitable gender roles:'Other recurring characters include Violet Elizabeth Bott, lisping spoiled daughter of the local nouveau riche millionaire (whose companionship William reluctantly endures, to prevent her carrying out her threat "I'll thcream and thcream 'till I'm thick"), and Joan Clive, the dark haired girl for whom William has a soft spot. Joan is sometimes considered a member of the Outlaws (the only girl entitled to this high privilege) and sometimes an "Outlaw ally" because she took a special oath. At one point she went away to boarding school, but continued to appear in William's adventures during her holidays.' How many of us will have to come out or turn gay to ensure statistical balance? We can be sure of the female roles as the books were written by Richmal Crompton Lamburn, a headmistress.Our biodegradable weaponry of banana skins and apple cores is clearly deep green (well done Tony). Gabby will have to take on the onerous dual roles of Violet and Joan, though in my interpretation has been playing them for years already.'
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 4:39:37 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:Update:Tossed my apple core out the window on my way to work this AM.Feeling good about doing my part to reduce landfill usage.Working on my oil furnace burner invention to reduce fuel consumption in the North East.
Not that far off in using my plastics for spaceships. Turns out, plastic is the best material to use for long space flights.
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