Much has been said and little done on how they come to make the soul governable and produce the docile body. Are we listening to depth or autism in Rilke? Perhaps just Leibniz with flowers, the monads and incommensurability reconstituted? His mother lost a daughter and used to dress him as a girl. The clash between social and self evaluation is clearly like nature-nurture and not a case of taking sides. Try to track the origins as outside in and inside out and you are unlikely to be able to stop. The best societies produce the best individuals and the best individuals the best societies. Science is based on demonstration to others - yet which others, given most people can't learn the language-games needed to know what most such demonstrations are about. Replete with phlogiston theory one can rationalise for infinite time breathing on very ignorant oxygen.
Important to find out how we come to think how others work Molly. I tend to look and smell people wearing make-up and perfume as whale killers and beagle torturers, but am yet to have any impact on the cosmetics industry. The self is probably hidden far more 'securely' than the face under pancake crust. Most women are far more interested in a projected self that 'interests' and satisfies the demands and opinion of people other than me. In a way one can hardly use shampoo without hearing the animal screams. Just how much good honest looking is there anywhere - and rather than being at the heart of the matter, is Rilkeism already caught up in 'existing advertising' that makes thinking-pretending poetry has depth that makes the right impression on others in games of presenting the self in everyday life? Make up for the New Ager? Wittgenstein was apt to mention language like climbing a ladder in the clouds - such an apparatus would fall from the sky while we were looking for roots and origin. Though, on the science side, I can only predict terminal velocity in such situations
No wheelchairs in our newsrooms seems an important issue on presentation of self - then one sees there is no news in them either! Rilke and John Wayne dodged respective drafts. Take a good look at ourselves and what would we find? Perhaps that there is no decent society to return to, that one can live in true to decency ... tough one old friend.
On Monday, December 8, 2014 12:25:42 PM UTC, Molly wrote:
Sometimes I think we can only see ourselves in how we stack up against our judgment of others, an outside in perspective, and maybe, at the heart of what Rilke mentions here. I wonder if the fear of taking a good honest look at oneself is a typically western cultural construct, or simply a human journey roadblock.
On Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:12:29 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:The New Agers were all over Rilke and my Persian poet like a rash in the past - though the latter may have written in Greek patois. Tgat egat sig probably appeared in his text, meaning the sound made after watching German opera. René Karl Wilhelm Johann Josef Maria Rilke - Rumi had a long name too and was into the simultaneous destruction and recreation of the soul.A bit of poetry is good for people who can't do science. At least Rumi might offer Whirling Dervishes rather than interminable opera about heroes buried in acorns for us to recover from poetry reading. I like a lot of Sufi ideas.I actually have a lot in common with RP's 'conservatism'. "Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other" (Rilke from Brainyquote). These days safe sex has lost the gentle touch of romance and loyalty (maybe autism) and become disease prevention. Yet are we to look down on the promiscuous?
On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:31:52 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:Fortunately for us a pendulum swing eventually reverses direction. I think it is everones responsibility to change responsibly. Our souls owe that to humanity.
I know Gabby does not like my sig shit in view of her eye candy.. tgat is tough shit as it us doing exactly egat I intended it to do .. it is my simple attempt to change away from the pendulum swing toward violence toward others. The best way of leadership lies in ones actions.
Do not murder, rape, enslave or harm others
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: the law of our own growthOppression of women is decidedly wrong , but for a married person to fall in love with another is not character. You fall in love with a girl and marry her then you fall in love with another woman , divorce your wife and marry again or just have an extra-marital affair is decidedly wrong. Even if your wife is ordinary in body and mind you still owe her loyalty and respect. There is no dearth of beautiful people ,but to love and respect your own partner even of ordinary countenance is character. To be faithful to your society is character and if there are shortcomings in your society you should try to remove them and that is what has been done by great people in all societies. Even ordinary people can try to remove the abuses in their society according to their capabilities , and to convert to other religions is escaping the duty of bettering your society. You owe your family and society a duty to work for its betterment and to convert is escaping from that duty.--On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:55 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Once the realization is accepted that even between the closest human beings infinite distances continue, a wonderful living side by side can grow, if they succeed in loving the distance between them which makes it possible for each to see the other whole against the sky. Fancy something a little different then Tony? Shall we 'admire' men who want women to live in black bags? Flowers rarely ask tough questions - Rilke was one.
On Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:27:22 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:Healthy growth also requires a time or doing nothing.--
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