"42
Note how perverse is the attitude of the weak toward their
benefactors. They feel generosity as oppression; they want to
retaliate. They say to their benefactors: ' May the day come when you
shall be weak and we will send bundles to America.'
You do not win the weak by sharing your wealth with them; it will but
infect them with greed and resentment. You can win the weak only by
sharing your pride, hope or hatred with them."
from "The Passionate State of Mind" By Eric Hoffer
On Oct 22, 8:42 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One could hold Marx accountable for the horrors of the Soviet Union
> and China under Mao. Not his economic analysis but some of
> revolutionary urging - though surely countless abuses by the "noble
> class" are worse. I did some shameful stuff handling informants in
> our stupid war in Northern Ireland, excusing it at the time under a
> greater good I now know false. We ran an even bloodier war in
> Indonesia (28,000 dead) most in the UK were not aware of at the time
> and many don't know about now (though it's no longer secret).
>
> I've been led to believe we can't really discuss much on society
> unless we address the realities of world power and its links to the
> money system the rich dominate. Otherwise one more or less cops out
> and makes a living. Teaching has led me to realise how scant my own
> knowledge is, but also the lack of interest most people have in
> learning more than what gets them by.
>
> We now have the technology to show how many things link up and that
> the "riches" developed in a shadow banking system that is bigger than
> the real economy several times over are fictitious and merely suck
> value out of toil - and the same technology could also regulate the
> economy through 'transparent money' - instead it's used for the
> opposite purpose and also supports the military complex. This is
> obvious but people still don't get it.
>
> On Oct 22, 7:47 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Life is always full of cause and effects. Everyone is accountable for the
> > effects caused by their actions,, even if you claim to have no choice....
> > Allan
>
> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:48 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > People 'escape' responsibility in fictitious ways all the time RP -
> > > though I agree that inevitably one can't. I'm always saddened by
> > > those who stress we should have communism or capitalism and can't see
> > > there is some kind of loop. They want to reduce everything to a kind
> > > of baby-talk more appropriate to sport locker rooms than responsible
> > > dialogue. The escape from responsibility is into world-views that
> > > exclude the other and especially consequences for others.
>
> > > On Oct 22, 6:26 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > To be held accountable for one's actions , doesn't it look scary when
> > > > you know you couldn't have done otherwise given your personality at
> > > > the given time and the circumstances. Yet we cannot escape
> > > > responsibility !
>
> > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by genetics/evolution/
> > > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through
> > > > > knowledge?
>
> > > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are
> > > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world
> > > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are just a
> > > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action as
> > > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are
> > > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's presence
> > > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in man's
> > > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless
> > > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity on
> > > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible for
> > > > >> your every action and inaction.
>
> > > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as
> > > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning !
>
> > > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter, and
> > > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom.
>
> > > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is man
> > > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and not
> > > to
> > > > >> >> God.
>
> > > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God alone..."
> > > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative !
>
> > > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary.
>
> > > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and
> > > everything
> > > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary
> > > follows --
> > > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to man
> > > and
> > > > >> >> >> > society.
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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