better being educated via computer and leave socialization to play
groups and sports. The military can effect as much damage via remote
control. But- will women return to being stay-at-home moms/homemakers
thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I doubt it - it has
become an ego/security matter for Western women. There will always be
cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much monetary losses as the
"elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number of zeros.
On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There was philosophy once called logical positivism. \\it's people
> were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. If you have a few
> hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the end it got so
> concerned with words they were all that was left. Strangely it was
> accused of being crude in its use of brute fact.
>
> The problem as I see it is that we want democracy but have not found a
> way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions made through the
> sway of ignorance, and further problems with the corruption of
> representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in perfection are doomed
> or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
>
> One might try to produce communication free of ideology and this let
> Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far as I can see this
> never works - and Habermas only suggests his 'ideal speech situation'
> as an ideal type (following Weber).
>
> The best positive I can reach is that we could change our material
> conditions to produce less discontent. To get to an understanding of
> this we need to agree on some basic facts - and the move towards these
> is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can remember when it was
> possible for most in the West to get somewhere near this because there
> were plenty of well paid jobs about. Oversimplifying a lot this is
> not now the case and we need to establish what the new conditions are.
>
> Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in which our work
> ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite nicely on a 30hr
> working week and a 40 week year with retirement at 60 whilst
> increasing current production. I am only guessing, but the reason I
> have to guess is odd. Why don't we know? There are perhaps a dozen
> vital areas like this to which we have no accepted answers.
>
> The positive moves are all about establishing facts and the first of
> these has to be an explanation of why we are so bad at this and
> whether new technology can help break the 'spell'. Here, the paradox
> is we need the technology to start working to this end with most
> people not able to understand why and an existing situation in which
> dominant education and media will try to pervert any attempts.
>
> Many are discussing these issues in great detail. I'm sure a few of
> us could put a '101' together from Internet sources. Semiotics is a
> key discipline in the critique (Michael Betancourt), as is
> environmental science (as opposed to the Kymer Vert) and most
> economics that you don't get on Fox and the increasingly dumb BBC
> (Steve Keen) One can even argue the Tea Party and OccupyX have
> similar protest issues. You can get a radical smear of this on the
> Keiser Report (courtesy on Russia Today).
>
> The aim is already worked out - a return to economies with a link
> between toil (labour value) and reward and money in people's hands,
> not hoarded by an elite or subject to their looting- and meaningful
> democracy.


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