Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought

I misunderstood Gabby, perhaps. Demonetarizing sounds like cutting off
the money supply to me.

On May 15, 7:40 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> what does welfare have to do with the problem?  I see no relationship.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Boston Bombers were on welfare. Money is not the problem or
> > solution.//"No man is an island..."- John Donne.
>
> > On May 15, 2:49 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Demonetarizing of extremists would be the next logical step, but why
> > would
> > > I go there if it doesn't affect me? /mineral stage exploring
> > photosynthesis/
> > > Am 15.05.2013 09:04 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > I think a lot of the demonetization of Islam come from with in Islam
> > > > itself and the massive amounts of killing and murdering women and
> > children,
> > > > Most of the guys i know that are islamic in faith I
> > > > like.. apparent condoning of these actions by the leadership..  now to
> > be
> > > > fair I was shocked to hear the Islamic denying the Boston Bomber was
> > > > Islamic and refused to bury him inn the islamic cemetery..  shock and
> > > > surprise
>
> > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:44 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> You would argue with Aristotle, I presume. Hierarchy exists for a
> > > >> reason.
>
> > > >> You might be interested in an article on John le Carre (I think his
> > > >> real name is David Cornwall) which appeared recently on the BBC site.
> > > >> Sigh...at 81 he is still a dreamboat- and that's just his photo! He
> > > >> has some more to write about- the demonization of Islam.
>
> > > >> On May 14, 9:27 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I've found reading and writing more or less impossible for about 10
> > > >> > years now - this may seem odd as I do a lot of both.  More or less
> > > >> > nothing comes without baggage I don't want and, of course, nothing
> > > >> > survives the deconstruction of science or serious history.  I know I
> > > >> > don't really want much more than a few friends and security - but
> > even
> > > >> > this is to want a radically different society.  Words are so
> > > >> > difficult.  Religion is a very difficult example.  I'm not against
> > > >> > what Molly or Gabby or Don do with it in their different ways - but
> > it
> > > >> > remains a control fraud in my world-view.  Old stories in academe
> > have
> > > >> > the congregation as undergraduates, the sermon deliverers as masters
> > > >> > and PhDs and researchers as the content and truth producers.
> > > >> > Hierarchy is a religious term in origin.  I'm revolted, less by the
> > > >> > thought of this fiction, than the ease with which many swallow it.
>
> > > >> > There is a spiral dynamic at work - we used to consider such in
> > terms
> > > >> > of RSVP cycles or an orchestra practising - you sort of (mostly) are
> > > >> > never starting at the beginning but join in the cycle.  A colleague
> > > >> > did a PhD on the children's writer Enid Blyton - fair enough - one
> > can
> > > >> > investigate anything.  I have no problem with this in-itself.  The
> > > >> > model sadly extends to
> > > >> >  a great deal of teaching in which the fictional nature of
> > text-made-
> > > >> > basic is elided.  I doubt you know more management and economics
> > after
> > > >> > spending time with business school books, than you would after
> > reading
> > > >> > a few decent novels.  A contradiction in all non-science learning
> > > >> > concerns making texts into Idols to worship.
>
> > > >> > Science only takes us so far and at heart is not very philosophical.
> > > >> > I favour gardening and cooking analogies - the 'theory' has been
> > > >> > called tropical fish realism.  I follow advice from science books
> > much
> > > >> > as I follow gardening and cooking books - and think here, given
> > > >> > equality of kitchen materials and food - whether we'd choose to eat
> > my
> > > >> > cooking or rigs'!  Skill factors not always in the books and
> > > >> > experiential learning are important.  I spend time reading really
> > > >> > complex stuff on the history of science - mostly German work of late
> > > >> > and I'm not at all sure I understand better without the translation.
> > > >> > My story of science starts in approximation by creatures of gravity
> > in
> > > >> > co-evolution - but gravity remains a label.  This is some way from
> > > >> > growing plants with recommended amounts of fertiliser, nematode
> > > >> > biological warfare against slugs and strict instruction against
> > > >> > digging in my raised beds to the cats and dog.
>
> > > >> > Our cats all strayed in at some time and we have a male ginger that
> > > >> > still doesn't trust me (one wonders on the poor thing's past
> > trauma).
>
> > > >> > On May 13, 11:46 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > Not quite sure of your focus James.  In terns of models, I like
> > Spiral
> > > >> > > Dynamics.  It allows the recognition and inclusion of everyone in
> > > >> > > their own terms.
>
> > > >> > > On May 12, 11:19 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > You have a rapt audience Molly, I have many questions. I would
> > be
> > > >> very
> > > >> > > > interested in information regarding child developmental
> > psychology
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > any individuals who have a story of their experiences and
> > > >> reflections
> > > >> > > > written. I understand there are many types of people out there
> > and I
> > > >> > > > didn't think there was a word for it at all other than 'freak'.
> > If
> > > >> you
> > > >> > > > have knowledge on this I can't express how valuable some would
> > find
> > > >> it.
>
> > > >> > > > Do any of them feel like a 'pool of reflection'? Sensitivity to
> > > >> lying
> > > >> > > > and deceit? Is there any norm, parallels with autism, can they
> > > >> freely
> > > >> > > > dissociate (as in the complex, but the book is useless in this
> > > >> > > > instance)? Any statistical research out there, or terms I can
> > use to
> > > >> > > > find more? Spare nothing please, I will cripple google with the
> > > >> fury of
> > > >> > > > my searches on your every word.
>
> > > >> > > > On 5/12/2013 9:30 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > I agree with you Molly
>
> > > >> > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com
> > > >> > > > > <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > >     " I seem to learn in reverse starting with an
> > > >> > > > >     intuitive bond but I'm no genius just weird"
>
> > > >> > > > >     IMHO being in-tune with the unseen (or infinite) is a
> > > >> particularly
> > > >> > > > >     sensitive and rare form of perception.  I am always
> > surprised
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > >     delighted to find such a person.  Listening to our
> > instincts
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > >     intuitions first, and allowing the material world to
> > validate
> > > >> > > > >     naturally is living life inside out.
>
> > > >> > > > >     On May 11, 11:59 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> > > >> > > > >     <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >     > Glad you said it Allan, my enthusiasm told me to leave
> > the
> > > >> box
> > > >> > > > >     alone. I
> > > >> > > > >     > think the term 'unknown commodity' fits, and there are
> > some
> > > >> strange
> > > >> > > > >     > varieties out there as I've known at least one, others
> > are
> > > >> > > > >     suspect but
> > > >> > > > >     > as I can see how they would be driven nuts I won't be
> > out
> > > >> there
> > > >> > > > >     > interviewing. The curiosity crosses my mind at times on
> > the
> > > >> rare
> > > >> > > > >     > occasion that I catch the news of whether someone was
> > just
> > > >> > > > >     another dumb
> > > >> > > > >     > nut or did we just lose another potential major asset to
> > > >> > > > >     civilization.
> > > >> > > > >     > Yes, if we worked to meet the needs of all without
> > > >> exception, I said
> > > >> > > > >     > this exact thing to someone regarding cultural
> > integration
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > >     other day
> > > >> > > > >     > in regards to our cultural isolation. An ounce of
> > > >> prevention.. a
> > > >> > > > >     pound
> > > >> > > > >     > of agression. It isn't even in the common vernacular I'm
> > > >> afraid.
>
> > > >> > > > >     > I am at a loss for meaning to your last sentence my
> > > >> instincts
> > > >> > > > >     throw up
> > > >> > > > >     > red flags on the subject. A few times I've been able to
> > > >> approach the
> > > >> > > > >     > subject by reassociating an external self to see things
> > as a
> > > >> > > > >     story that
> > > >> > > > >     > I was free to speak the truth of and pursue compassion
> > and
> > > >> say
> > > >> > > > >     'Im so
> > > >> > > > >     > sorry that...', as an older person would say to a child.
> > > >> It's still
> > > >> > > > >     > blank though, push some more and blank to freeze (it's
> > good
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > > >     know the
> > > >> > > > >     > physiological effects of stress disorders there), push
> > more
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > >     it's  .
> > > >> > > > >     > morning shits and shakes for a few plus temporary immune
> > > >> system
> > > >> > > > >     > shutdown. There are a variety of mental disciplines,
> > > >> meditative
> > > >> > > > >     > techniques, insights into my nature, and preventive
> > > >> disciplines
> > > >> > > > >     that can
> > > >> > > > >     > be derived from experiences but I can't tell him 'you
> > > >> deserve
> > > >> > > > >     better'
> > > >> > > > >     > because it's relevance ends as a gesture. The process is
> > > >> > > > >     intuitive with
> > > >> > > > >     > others, a born talent, I seem to learn in reverse
> > starting
> > > >> with an
> > > >> > > > >     > intuitive bond but I'm no genius just weird. ;-) My
> > sense of
> > > >> > > > >     humor is
> > > >> > > > >     > improving though, not being understood is so damn
> > BORING,
> > > >> it's
> > > >> > > > >     enough to
> > > >> > > > >     > make a person develop ADHD.
>
> > > >> > > > >     > On 5/11/2013
>
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