Re: Mind's Eye Re: Problems with equality and the blight of democracy

There are many sacrifices made without the spur of ego involvement.

On May 21, 10:19 am, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My argument would be that the learning process begins in the womb and is a
> part of the development; movement would be a direct indication. We have to
> learn to move the members the body. Once the baby is born, many of the
> previous restrictions on movement are removed, so it has to re-adjust to
> movement. It doesn't take nearly as much energy now to raise an arm; to
> extend a leg. It keeps the same knowledge that it acquired in order to move
> these members, but adjust to the difference in the environment. Therefore,
> for the purpose of understanding, let's say that the baby was born in the
> womb, and it was reborn once it left it.
>
> Now let us consider the mind of the child in development after birth. It
> absorbs all of the cultural values of the environment in which it is
> raised. In order for the child to believe anything other than what it has
> learned in regard to a belief system, there has to be some catalyst for
> change. Some times this can be as subtle as a curiosity that something is
> not adding up here, and then spend the rest of a natural life is search of
> something that fits.
>
> However, as history has proven from the records that we keep, most of us
> require a catalyst which threatens to bring to an end the three things that
> are most important to us. The three things that we learn to sacrifice
> everything for and to find justification for doing so at all cost, namely,
> Me, My and I.
>
> Wherefore, we say that the act of changing this is rebirth, or get a new
> bottle to put the new wine in, because the new wine will burst the old
> bottle.
>
> Our catalyst for change has progressively reached humanity. And since we
> are all essentially equal, we all have the ability and responsibility to
> fix it. The ruling bodies are only puppets in the hands of the ruling
> Factors.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:13 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No, Edward. We are not born with holes that are waiting to become
> > full-filled, nor are we born empty or can we become empty. Something has to
> > happen to make us rethink, relearn, reevaluate to make new sense. But
> > really this can be anything.
>
> > 2013/5/20 Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
>
> >> Trying to get the apple without seeing the tree. The tree is a despicable
> >> sight; it has objects of reflections on it, by which we are forced to see
> >> ourselves as we are: as opposed to how we think of ourselves/ how we would
> >> have others see us.
>
> >> We learn by applying knowledge to what we know; trying to make what we
> >> know make sense to us even though it remains filled with holes. It seems
> >> impossible to become empty so that we may be filled. If what we see does
> >> not fit what we think is, then we have not desire to investigate the
> >> true origins of each element, if necessary. With controlled experiments, we
> >> are left we experience. There is no substitute for experience, so at that
> >> point we may safely apply wisdom and understanding.
>
> >> Random thought patterns.
>
> >> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I missed a lot of science and math :-)- that's why I'm glad I ran into
> >>> you!
>
> >>> On May 20, 11:13 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > I missed most of the classics as a kid, coming to them in search of
> >>> > metaphor for organisation theory.  I don't find a lot in them now if
> >>> > I'm honest.  In terms of most human behaviour I'm inclined to the
> >>> > view  we focus on unitary views where the biology shows us plural
> >>> > systems.  We have also made the biological-scientific view something
> >>> > it is not - as in daft stuff like men being stronger than  women and
> >>> > "thus should be subservient".
> >>> > Parliament is debating gay marriage over the next two days (great live
> >>> > television - er - not).  Everyone should be equal in law, but various
> >>> > cranks who want to opt out and not marry gays or divorced people  if
> >>> > they happen to be priests or registrars, apparently.  It is much more
> >>> > important that such as banksters and our elected representatives
> >>> > should be equal to the rest of us in law.  No debate on that.
>
> >>> > Dan Brown is dull - but it seems dullness sells.
>
> >>> > On 19 May, 15:41, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > I agree that equality, freedom, liberty, democracy are ruined
> >>> concepts
> >>> > > as they have been abused for wars and to garner votes. The USA
> >>> > > Consitiution did not originally intend equality re women, slaves and
> >>> > > the poor, for instance- that was a new concept. Even wealth cannot
> >>> buy
> >>> > > one social status and admiration, if that is a goal. I think there is
> >>> > > a natural hierarchy to observe in the animal kingdom- unfortunately
> >>> it
> >>> > > consists of predator vs. prey. (Am thinking of re-reading The Divine
> >>> > > Comedy by Dante after reading a rather dull chapter by Dan Brown from
> >>> > > "Inferno". We read the Sayers version as sophomores in college.)
>
> >>> > > On May 16, 7:06 pm, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > > This is a draft that I found in my folder that I must have thought
> >>> was
> >>> > > > already sent out. Maybe I should have checked the status of the
> >>> > > > discussion before I forwarded it now. I did not. But here we are,
> >>> > > > anyway. Sorry for the fault!
>
> >>> > > > >>"This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - 'just
> >>> > > > >>recognize it's an ideal with complexity.' "
>
> >>> > > >     I can agree with this to the extent that I feel equality as a
> >>> > > > concept can only be held by first placing it in it's proper
> >>> context-
> >>> > > > Understanding. And Understanding is of the family
> >>> > > > Knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding. The three point principles which
> >>> make
> >>> > > > up the Tree of Life, Referred to in the book of Revelation and on
> >>> the
> >>> > > > stone walls of the Pyramids of Egypt. Mistaken in modern religions
> >>> as
> >>> > > > the trinity of a Threefold-God.
>
> >>> > > >    Without which, man will not be able to govern himself on a
> >>> massive
> >>> > > > level, and must depend on a governing body. When there is a
> >>> governing
> >>> > > > body among Man, there will be issues of the illusive concept of
> >>> > > > Equality. To me, it appears that there is set of circumstances,
> >>> > > > events, conditions, or other similar elements, that would cause the
> >>> > > > soul to falter if it does not live out those three major
> >>> Principles.
> >>> > > > Does anyone remember what YVHV told the Israelite when they first
> >>> > > > asked for a king to rule over them because of the age of Samuel?
> >>> > > > Basically He told them that there will be NOTHING EQUAL between you
> >>> > > > and the king (ruling body), he (the king) will take it all, ( 1
> >>> Samuel
> >>> > > > 8 ). His craft to continue in today's world  is to paint the
> >>> allusion
> >>> > > > that it is fair and equal.
>
> >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:01 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > > > > I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence
> >>> > > > > equally.  One quickly realises this can't work in full.  I'm not
> >>> > > > > giving maths lessons to all the kids round here who need them
> >>> but am
> >>> > > > > teaching my grandson.  Most people can't even be trusted to find
> >>> out
> >>> > > > > simple and easily available facts in making decisions or coming
> >>> to
> >>> > > > > argument.  There's an interesting example at -
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely
> >>> > > > > - which shows most in the US think things are more equal than
> >>> they are
> >>> > > > > and actually want them more equal than they think (already a
> >>> massive
> >>> > > > > fictional improvement on reality).  I don't treat all women as
> >>> equally
> >>> > > > > as my partner.
>
> >>> > > > > This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept - just
> >>> > > > > recognise it's an ideal with complexity.
>
> >>> > > > > Teaching has led me to the view that most people don't want to
> >>> learn
> >>> > > > > much.  I suspect schooling inculcates this in most.  I've had a
> >>> glut
> >>> > > > > of the stuff and can feel the bildung was for nothing in the
> >>> freezing
> >>> > > > > moral climate of banksterism, selfish, plastic society and the
> >>> eye for
> >>> > > > > the main chance.  One teaches people who have to make their way
> >>> in
> >>> > > > > this world but we seem to teach them very little about it.
>
> >>> > > > > If I ask students how much agriculture contributes to world GDP,
> >>> most
> >>> > > > > of the answers are between 30 - 60%.  It's 4%.  How did they get
> >>> so
> >>> > > > > dumb?
> >>> > > > > If I show students where to find the information they can get the
> >>> > > > > right answer.  Sooner or later as a lecturer you discover
> >>> students
> >>> > > > > have to be led by the nose - only a few are really interested in
> >>> > > > > thinking for themselves and becoming independent thinkers.
>
> >>> > > > > If the above is the case in universities, what hope is there for
> >>> an
> >>> > > > > educated populace capable in democracy?  Our politicians have
> >>> long
> >>> > > > > given up on this as the case and are now vying for votes in
> >>> emotional
> >>> > > > > ignorance and the fantasy worlds generated by alienation from
> >>> facts -
> >>> > > > > even antipathy towards them.
>
> >>> > > > > Over here in the Banana Republic of the Sceptred Isle our PM Herr
> >>> > > > > Cameroon has noticed hardly any kids get adopted any more and it
> >>> takes
> >>> > > > > over two years on average.  This is dire evidence of jobsworth
> >>> > > > > bureaucracy.  I'm sure it is.
> >>> > > > > I have noticed that "economics" pours nearly all available a
> >>> monetary
> >>> > > > > value can be put on into the hands of a few rich. This is
> >>> evidence the
> >>> > > > > economic system doesn't
>
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