I see your point RP will have to mull it over for a bit.. what I don't understand is how consciousness limits the spirit.. as I see it every thing is created from God's essence fore lack of a better word both conscious and unconscious are part of his being.. there is no separation.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:48 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
Consciousness limits the spirit , it creates boundaries , no matter how large, whereas the unconscious is limitless. It explains its omnipotence as it is the source of all thoughts , decisions and actions.The myriads of universes are upheld by that unconscious spirit and arise and vanish into it.--On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:believing in and unconscious God and pre-determinism actually makes a lot of sense it is very clear cut RP.. why do you need a rational discourse.. my question is how do you arrive at an unconscious God? have not heard it put that way before..On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:This group is not meant for blunt admissions but for discussions regarding individual beliefs and ideas. If I bluntly say that I believe in an unconscious God and predeterminism , it amounts to nothing. I have to put forward logic and rational discourse in support of my beliefs , and if that does not convince you , so be it as I am not here to convert you to my belief system.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:why don't you bluntly say just what you do believe.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never talked about religion , if I have used such terminology it is just to express myself. I have never tried to convert anybody , only laying down my belief and it has nothing to do with religion. Examining my beliefs from different angles is not meant to coax you but simply a method of examination. We are here to discus our ideas , and if you think I am talking from a book , you are mistaken. All religions believe in human souls whereas I don't , so where is the book thumping that you are accusing me of all the time.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:No not at all ,,, you asked a simple question and I gave the reference point,, nothing more .. I also refereed to the guideline source for you the Hindi beliefs.. If I tried hammering home christian fundamentalism beliefs on you,, again and again trying to convince you I am right that is bible thumping,,I do know that one of the Islamic sect has beliefs relating to Zombies talking about their beliefs does not constitute book thumping.. or referring to gospel of Buddha is just a reference. If you are showing how a religious concept works is one thing.. trying to convert people to your belief you are into the realm of thumping..I have my own beliefs some of which evolved from discussions right here on Minds Eye.. The idea of the group is to share knowledge not to make converts.. it is hard to explain beliefs,, examining them can be very interesting.. like I thought my comments relating to Zombies and souls.. RP it is strange to find out that you are saying and thought to be original has already been said and part of a sects beliefs..--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
When you quote the Bible it is a simple religious answer , but when others refer from a book you call them book thumpers. Aren't you contradicting yourself or maybe you are playing with two set of rules---one for yourself and your cronies and the other for the rest of us.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Not really RP you asked a question and I gave you the simple answer guideline are of a religious nature..--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:Now , aren't we being book-thumpers , Allan ?--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
In the western world it basically known as the 10 commandments or above all do know harm.. as for India RP I would ask vam he is far better versed in Hindi than I am.--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:" the importance staying within guidelines God laid down to follow.."
What are those guidelines and when and where did God lay them down ?--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:I have been thinking about trust, it seems we lose it via lies, dishonesty and distortion of the truth. It is difficult to trust when those a person or organizations a persons trusts are constantly violating that trust. I seriously think that people's souls have forgotten they are accountable for even the small dishonesty or the importance staying within guidelines God laid down to follow.. Sad really--On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
Machiavellian intelligence has been a useful concept for me in dealing with manipulative, intelligent, and dominating personalities. How this relates to trust, in my view prominently, is in reciprocation of honesty and mutual respect. Identifying a bully in one of the three above is easy as pie but can get confusing as skill increases across them all, it can leave one questioning themselves, which most of the tactics are targeting vulnerability or creating through unease. In turn what can be gained is an immunity to those tactics and self recognition, as the rules of the schoolground go or older siblings learning regret for toughening up their little brother. The chaffing and soreness just isn't worth the rub though, I am wondering why so many find themselves in a position beneath such, and think a good many rules are in place to keep a balance. If one lacks trust of self it seems they would have to endure and persevere at the mercy of the games Molly. I mean that winceingly.
There is a great and well-guided side to it also! :) I am curious why I keep thinking of 'motivation' when I try to place this into a psychodynamic (unintended redundancy) context.
On 5/20/2013 4:28 PM, Molly wrote:
Not sure those models help us if we find ourselves witholding trust
although not sure why. theories are great, but if I cannot trust, but
want to, the theories aren't all that helpful.
On May 20, 12:24 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Most of us in organisational development gave up on the love-trust
model because we saw it as dangerous. The reality is Machiavellian.
Chris Argyris is probably the major writer in this area - essentially
we need to work with theories-in-use rather than espoused theories.
On 20 May, 12:11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, indeed. our first basic trust lessons come early. I was always
interested to see how ruthless children can be. I suppose they learn
it somewhere. Left unchecked, it can grow into the now cliche
bullying that they tell us is part of growing up. Part of life,
actually, as my mother in law was a bully, and I watched he methods
become more subtle as time went after her overt methods were no longer
taken seriously. I think we learn, as time goes on, the currency of
trust - the exchange of trust and trustworthiness. It is as misused
as any other currency, but when used efficiently, brings quality to
life.
On May 19, 10:22 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
Re children and trust- a good test is to slice the pie and watch their
eyes judging if each piece is exactly the same size or who got better
Christmas presents, etc.= sibling whining-rivalry. It may be traced to
self-interest over-riding trust in the family or group. Check out
Probate Court! The first sins of Genesis display this quite well- to
the point of expulsion and the first human murder.//Alert citizens
know the games being played in their cultures- do they accept or avoid
them? And what exactly is glorified in the various cultures of human
history? I think that's where the answer lies.//As for the media/news-
there is something warped that becomes intoxicated with violence,
crime, bad weather, Hollywood breasts, etc. Now local tweets play
under the news so we can get the immediate and ignorant reaction of
every tom-dick and harry which has supplanted the ancient water well
or tavern for gossipy opinion.//On the other hand, children have a
good reason to distrust if they are unfortunate to be born to twisted
parents. Even animals are trained on how to survive in the wild...and
the world is wild (Rollo May called it psychotic, I believe).
On May 17, 3:24 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that fear is a big part of the inability to trust. Fear of
what can become blurry. A general fear expressed as a lack of self
trust - no trust that you can act and prevail, or preserver through
the suffering...
On May 17, 3:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can not help but wonder of how much are news media is at fault.. It seems- Show quoted text -
as if they work at instilling fear.. it seems all that is on the news is
extreme dramatic footage and it is taken to the extreme always trying for
the most dramatic footage and continuing to hammer it home never letting it
go until the next terror story comes along.. a recent example of this would
be the Boston bombing.. 24 hr day coverage no let up .. with that kind of
coverage how can you expect people not to be frightened..
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Trust is subject to wobbly definition Moll - I've been reading some--
dire stuff on neuroeconomics of late. Sue always has it that alien
ethnographers would be appalled to discover how frightened people are
of each other.
On 17 May, 12:44, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
When I read of Pope Francis condemnation of wealth ,, I thought of youand
the problems of Detroit which you face daily.. The voice of your soul isChildren
strong and it will guide you well,, you are one of the people I do trust
you have a great capacity for understanding..
I do not think he will be popular with the Republican party as his words
will carry greeat weight among Catholics and other people of strong
morality.. what he did do is create a rallying point and a voice that
echos in reality and history.. the Gold Calf economics has had its veil
ripped off..
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Life has been very good to me in the last couple of decades after
learning to trust myself enough to take a few bold steps and follow my
heart, or intuition as James puts it. Sometimes my inner guidance
leads me places that do not seem rational, are totally unfamiliar or
takes me out of my comfort zone. I had to learn the hard way that
life improves if I am willing to trust myself and what life has to
offer. This is much easier as a recluse. Being now dropped into
metro decay and corruption (even though improvement in this city can
be seen almost daily) I find myself not trusting and with good reason,
or so it seems. Sometimes I think about the story of St. Francis,
begging for food as was the custom. the homeless in Detroit are all
over the streets, as is the case really with all US cities, and I
haven't yet found peace with their approach.
On May 16, 3:54 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
I know I do extend trust.. yet I am always watching and listening..
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Every adult I know has trust issues of one kind or another.
beare the only people I have seen with complete trust, and not all of
them have it, and most of them lose it somewhere along the line.
Some people always extend trust initially, and then withdraw when
trust has been breached. Some people think that trust must always
inearned. Steven Covey Jr. thinks that trust is the number one issue
personthe work place, and that an office culture cannot be healthy or
successful consistent trust building behaviors extended by all
employees.
An issue with trust can be overt, like not trusting any other
canand thinking that everyone "hurts" or lies or cheats. Or an issue
sendGroupsbe very subtle, like not trusting that life has anything to offer.
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