I do not find wings appropriate at all simply because it is not true, (as I see it), but and I repeat but.. the view is not destructive and in reality does no harm, (I think), personally I am beginning see the body more like a car for the soul in a spiritual realm called humanity.. Now That idea is extremely difficult for mind (soul) wrap around and accept if for no other reason that it is going directly against what we have been taught for eons.. change is extremely difficult especially spiritual views.
In the evolution of my beliefs.. many of which has been stimulated in the womb of ME .. it appears that what we are experiencing here is essentially a blind test that is tailored to each soul.. essentially the interpolation of the ancient guideline "above all do no harm" .. All souls know this guideline before their "Humanization" (non member Tim)..
How others respond well it is their test not mine,, I am only accountable for my responses,, as for sharing I hope what I have is taken as a stimulation of ideas ad to examine ones beliefs,, and ideas.. and exchange of concepts but wait a minute that is what ME is about.. If our ideas do not expand o what value is ME..
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:05 AM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
As you might remember, Allan, I believe in God and the concept of soul. Soul by definition is time- and bodiless, which is why I find the image of soul and body joining at a certain point in individual development misleading. The soul as truth with wings is an image I find much more appropriate, being an ethereal entity of both the inside and the outside world. Just like I drink both tea and coffee and I take what is on offer.--2013/5/24 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>It is a shame you have to take another persons ideas about a soul and claim the knowledge as your own ,, no wonder I am evil and do do want me around.. I noticed your comment about the wings,, is this not a distortion of what you saidof course the soul and the body are joined during pregnancy, and massive amounts of research has gone into fetal learning, Is this how you try to justify your beliefs..why can you not allow others to be right?--On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:24 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
Arrogance isn't really your metier Gabbs - you are too prickly for
this bubble to form!
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:33 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23 May, 20:31, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's keep in mind that somewhere between conception and development there
> is a union of at-least two separate life forms; One of a spiritual nature
> and one of the physical. One much older than the other, yet the younger
> learns to take, what appears to be, control. While the older keeps the
> blueprints and the former impressions, and is cause/effect determination of
> the conditions for the younger; the younger barters for the the
> determination of the older. What we end up with in the metaphor is that
> Cain Slew Able.
>
> Any suggestions upon finding such a mirror, able to cast such reflections?
> Where would we place it?
>
> So, you see, Truth brings it's own healing, (healing in it's Wings).
>
> Therefore, take the restraints off of Truth, and promote it instead; when
> we find it. Can you imagine the Power in one spark of it? Well, when it is
> multiplied a few times it becomes a Temple. A Nation. A Righteous Nation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > exposition/exposure
>
> > 2013/5/23 gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> >> 2013/5/21 Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
> >> Eijeijei, Edward! Let me suggest a rearrangement of your setting. Let's
> >> say the life of a new human being begins in the womb - generally speaking.
> >> This life is a life as long as it is in continuous development and learning
> >> and change and movement. When the baby is born we say that the baby is
> >> born. It can be shown around the age of 18 month that the child is able to
> >> correctly identify its own body when looking into the mirror. Now that does
> >> not mean that the child would have needed more and earlier mirror
> >> exposition to come up with better movement coordination results - culture
> >> at that stage is still too weak to find something to hold onto in that body
> >> and mind, so to speak. But the mirror will become more and more the
> >> catalyst for your managing your change processes, yes. That's why you need
> >> to take good care of it! :)
>
>
> >>> My argument would be that the learning process begins in the womb and is
> >>> a part of the development; movement would be a direct indication. We have
> >>> to learn to move the members the body. Once the baby is born, many of the
> >>> previous restrictions on movement are removed, so it has to re-adjust to
> >>> movement. It doesn't take nearly as much energy now to raise an arm; to
> >>> extend a leg. It keeps the same knowledge that it acquired in order to move
> >>> these members, but adjust to the difference in the environment. Therefore,
> >>> for the purpose of understanding, let's say that the baby was born in the
> >>> womb, and it was reborn once it left it.
>
> >>> Now let us consider the mind of the child in development after birth. It
> >>> absorbs all of the cultural values of the environment in which it is
> >>> raised. In order for the child to believe anything other than what it has
> >>> learned in regard to a belief system, there has to be some catalyst for
> >>> change. Some times this can be as subtle as a curiosity that something is
> >>> not adding up here, and then spend the rest of a natural life is search of
> >>> something that fits.
>
> >>> However, as history has proven from the records that we keep, most of us
> >>> require a catalyst which threatens to bring to an end the three things that
> >>> are most important to us. The three things that we learn to sacrifice
> >>> everything for and to find justification for doing so at all cost, namely,
> >>> Me, My and I.
>
> >>> Wherefore, we say that the act of changing this is rebirth, or get a new
> >>> bottle to put the new wine in, because the new wine will burst the old
> >>> bottle.
>
> >>> Our catalyst for change has progressively reached humanity. And since we
> >>> are all essentially equal, we all have the ability and responsibility to
> >>> fix it. The ruling bodies are only puppets in the hands of the ruling
> >>> Factors.
>
> >>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:13 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:> >>>> 2013/5/20 Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>> No, Edward. We are not born with holes that are waiting to become
> >>>> full-filled, nor are we born empty or can we become empty. Something has to
> >>>> happen to make us rethink, relearn, reevaluate to make new sense. But
> >>>> really this can be anything.
>
>
> >>>>> Trying to get the apple without seeing the tree. The tree is
> >>>>> a despicable sight; it has objects of reflections on it, by which we are
> >>>>> forced to see ourselves as we are: as opposed to how we think of ourselves/
> >>>>> how we would have others see us.
>
> >>>>> We learn by applying knowledge to what we know; trying to make what we
> >>>>> know make sense to us even though it remains filled with holes. It seems
> >>>>> impossible to become empty so that we may be filled. If what we see does
> >>>>> not fit what we think is, then we have not desire to investigate the
> >>>>> true origins of each element, if necessary. With controlled experiments, we
> >>>>> are left we experience. There is no substitute for experience, so at that
> >>>>> point we may safely apply wisdom and understanding.
>
> >>>>> Random thought patterns.
>
> ...> >>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I missed a lot of science and math :-)- that's why I'm glad I ran into
> >>>>>> you!
>
> >>>>>> On May 20, 11:13 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> > I missed most of the classics as a kid, coming to them in search of
> >>>>>> > metaphor for organisation theory. I don't find a lot in them now if
> >>>>>> > I'm honest. In terms of most human behaviour I'm inclined to the
> >>>>>> > view we focus on unitary views where the biology shows us plural
> >>>>>> > systems. We have also made the biological-scientific view something
> >>>>>> > it is not - as in daft stuff like men being stronger than women and
> >>>>>> > "thus should be subservient".
> >>>>>> > Parliament is debating gay marriage over the next two days (great
> >>>>>> live
> >>>>>> > television - er - not). Everyone should be equal in law, but
> >>>>>> various
> >>>>>> > cranks who want to opt out and not marry gays or divorced people if
> >>>>>> > they happen to be priests or registrars, apparently. It is much
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> > important that such as banksters and our elected representatives
> >>>>>> > should be equal to the rest of us in law. No debate on that.
>
> >>>>>> > Dan Brown is dull - but it seems dullness sells.
>
> >>>>>> > On 19 May, 15:41, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> > > I agree that equality, freedom, liberty, democracy are ruined
> >>>>>> concepts
> >>>>>> > > as they have been abused for wars and to garner votes. The USA
> >>>>>> > > Consitiution did not originally intend equality re women, slaves
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> > > the poor, for instance- that was a new concept. Even wealth
> >>>>>> cannot buy
> >>>>>> > > one social status and admiration, if that is a goal. I think
> >>>>>> there is
> >>>>>> > > a natural hierarchy to observe in the animal kingdom-
> >>>>>> unfortunately it
> >>>>>> > > consists of predator vs. prey. (Am thinking of re-reading The
> >>>>>> Divine
> >>>>>> > > Comedy by Dante after reading a rather dull chapter by Dan Brown
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>> > > "Inferno". We read the Sayers version as sophomores in college.)
>
> >>>>>> > > On May 16, 7:06 pm, Edward Mason <masonedward...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> > > > This is a draft that I found in my folder that I must have
> >>>>>> thought was
> >>>>>> > > > already sent out. Maybe I should have checked the status of the
> >>>>>> > > > discussion before I forwarded it now. I did not. But here we
> >>>>>> are,
> >>>>>> > > > anyway. Sorry for the fault!
>
> >>>>>> > > > >>"This doesn't lead me to dispatch equality as a concept -
> >>>>>> 'just
> >>>>>> > > > >>recognize it's an ideal with complexity.' "
>
> >>>>>> > > > I can agree with this to the extent that I feel equality as
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> > > > concept can only be held by first placing it in it's proper
> >>>>>> context-
> >>>>>> > > > Understanding. And Understanding is of the family
> >>>>>> > > > Knowledge-Wisdom-Understanding. The three point principles
> >>>>>> which make
> >>>>>> > > > up the Tree of Life, Referred to in the book of Revelation and
> >>>>>> on the
> >>>>>> > > > stone walls of the Pyramids of Egypt. Mistaken in modern
> >>>>>> religions as
> >>>>>> > > > the trinity of a Threefold-God.
>
> >>>>>> > > > Without which, man will not be able to govern himself on a
> >>>>>> massive
> >>>>>> > > > level, and must depend on a governing body. When there is a
> >>>>>> governing
> >>>>>> > > > body among Man, there will be issues of the illusive concept of
> >>>>>> > > > Equality. To me, it appears that there is set of circumstances,
> >>>>>> > > > events, conditions, or other similar elements, that would cause
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> > > > soul to falter if it does not live out those three major
> >>>>>> Principles.
> >>>>>> > > > Does anyone remember what YVHV told the Israelite when they
> >>>>>> first
> >>>>>> > > > asked for a king to rule over them because of the age of Samuel?
> >>>>>> > > > Basically He told them that there will be NOTHING EQUAL between
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> > > > and the king (ruling body), he (the king) will take it all, ( 1
> >>>>>> Samuel
> >>>>>> > > > 8 ). His craft to continue in today's world is to paint the
> >>>>>> allusion
> >>>>>> > > > that it is fair and equal.
>
> >>>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:01 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > > I want to treat all humankind accepting peace and non-violence
> >>>>>> > > > > equally. One quickly realises this can't work in full. I'm
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> > > > > giving maths lessons to all the kids round here who need them
> >>>>>> but am
>
>
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