Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

Howard Zinn made a noble attempt to write a more true American history that is slowly gaining recognition - told from the point of view of people who endured the political decisions of their government.  His life's work is magnificent but I wonder if my grand children will ever see any of it in history class. The world political theater is a mess, no doubt. Why wouldn't it be, given the difficulty of coming to consensus in any group?  the group itself makes all the difference.  I've seen cultures of deep corruption and cultures based on good will. My choice is to move with the good, I don't deny it. I'm grateful that I have that choice and realize that not everyone in every circumstance does.  I just watched a movie, "The Book Thief" about the difficulties of good people living in the culture of corruption the Nazi government placed on its people. Great movie about human resilience. The people of Detroit watched the city crumble for a couple of decades with crooks and thugs at the helm. Watching that turn around to the degree that it has is a wonderful sight to behold.  All the crooks aren't gone, but the culture is changing quickly. 

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:01:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Europe has its problems, cultural differences . Friendly separation is essentially you go your way and I will go mine.
Yes Gabby is right our American is heavily influenced by the federal government if not defined. A recent German example would be the Nazi party. Even more recent look at the influence of fundamentalist Islam that is more of a totalitarian form of government than a religion.
 
Besides spirits influencing the US government?
Allan
Living Soul

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From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

fairly voted.  You have seen many things I have not for sure. Does an exchange of cryptic barbs pass as communication?

On Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:24:16 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:

Wherever we are there is a government that will define the culture? Ah well, against that kind of attitude we have shown how We Are The People in our recent German history. And no, I don't buy the friendly separation. You develop in different directions, yes. I find the choice argument particularly often used by those who have not been fairly voted into their ownership status btw.

Am 06.08.2014 23:48 schrieb "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com>:

I can see how your interpretation could be true given the German history.  However, moving to another country could be anywhere in the world one felt might be better, in any direction and, depending on the mode of transportation, a multitude of distances.  We choose to move or stay.  Often, our choice effects our socio moral codes because wherever we are, there will be a group around us or a government to the country that will define the culture. The point is that it comes down to the choices we make, more so than those around us, that ultimately define us. Of course, if leaving means certain death, our choices are limited.  I did not hear that in what Andrew was saying.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:59:46 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:

Arrogant, stupid, ignorant, privileged, superpowerful are the adjectives that come to my mind when I hear this.
Let me explain why. We have had a history of "offering" people criticising socio- political power issues on our side of the wall to go over there - on the other side. The cynicism lay in the one way option only and the worse state of things over there.
Another story, here in Crete a shop assistant asked us where we were from, but he was not satisfied with Germany, looking at my son. As if we were liars! So I offered some Africa as well. Now he was pleased. He said he was African too here.
He was from Pakistan teaching us Cretan truth.

Am 06.08.2014 01:27 schrieb "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com>:

Anyone can separate from a country.  Move to a different one..

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 8:40:32 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

A radical rethink might not be so necessary. Things have gotten too big. Too many are controlled by too few. People are trying to sell us the concept of globalization where a few control all.  I suggest that rather than a radical rethink, we go back to when things were smaller. How do we do that? By separation into smaller parts. By separating ourselves from the greedy few who control us. We can separate ourselves from banks as the bitcoin technology allows us to do just that. We can separate ourselves from the food industry by supporting local farmer products. We can separate ourselves from shopping malls by not buying from them. We can vote with our wallets. We can separate ourselves from the military by refusing to serve and kill our fellow humans (like the Jehovah Witnesses do). We can even separate ourselves from the pharmaceutical industry by living healthy lifestyles. We can separate ourselves from the mass media by not watching their advertisements. It is harder to separate ourselves from governments, which is what I wanted to discuss. Should people living in a part of a country be able to separate themselves from that country if the majority wish to separate without having to fight for their freedom and independence?   In nature, when something like a mountain gets too big, it breaks apart and eventually erodes and gets smaller. 

On Friday, August 1, 2014 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, archytas wrote:

Many converted to Islam after Ottoman invasions.  Advertising is another will-breaker.  The Swiss have better direct democracy.  We elect perverts and socio-paths.  The world is at war. Economics is quasi-religious thievery.  We remain so ignorant that 99 out of 100 have no idea how money is created or by whom.  Time for a radical rethink.

On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 14:10:43 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:

In Swizerland, referendums are preceded by public discussions in the media by interest groups presenting their pro and con view points.  As well each voting ballot comes with a booklet outlining the pro and con views of what is toi be voted. The Republic and Canton of the Jura is one of the cantons of Switzerland created in 1979 after a referendum of the French part of the canton of Bern separating from the Bern canton.

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:17:12 AM UTC+2, Molly wrote:

Would everyone voting have accurate information on the issues?  this would certainly take a great deal of organization.  If the group is ethnocentric or egocentric, chances are the majority rules method would not be a good idea.  In a worldcentric society where members are able to put the good of the group before their own if necessary, it may work, but this is a highly evolved group.  Here in the US, political campaigns count heavily on herd mentality and voters who are not worldly being swayed by negative and inaccurate information.  Hence, the Koch brother's ability to buy election and a congress filled with politicians for hire.  I agree, the ideal is much greater than the practical application.

On Monday, July 28, 2014 9:39:09 AM UTC-4, facilitator wrote:

Majority vote is not often a good idea.  Majority does not always equal justice.  Should the highest number population wise of a religion force others to become that religion?

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