Different perspective on the same traces. Good to know Rigs is in good hands.
> Am 30.09.2013 um 00:05 schrieb richard blay <richsun.b@gmail.com>:
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When bitcoin first started I was interested thinking of creating an online shop to sell my chains necklaces using bitcoin.
Considering I was totally ignored am guessing it was because I was not interested in putting money for them to line there pockets with..
Needless to say I lost interest
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On Sep 30, 2013 12:16 PM, "andrew vecsey" <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Yes I would also like to see bitcoin take off. One way to help it along the way is to ask the businesses you do business with to use it. The other way is to use it. For an example if you want to support Wikileaks and the important work they are doing, support them by sending them your donations in bitcoins. Let other groups that rely on donations know that you would like to make your donations with bitcoins. Support sites that use bitcoins. Give bitcoins as presents (along with a list of the sites that sell things for bitcoins). Let others know about bitcoins and their advantages. Share your experience with using bitcoins. Does anybody have any other ideas to help bitcoin take off?--
On Monday, September 30, 2013 7:30:58 AM UTC+2, archytas wrote:Nice video - I'd like to see Bitcoin take off as part of a new modular economics.
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Yes I would also like to see bitcoin take off. One way to help it along the way is to ask the businesses you do business with to use it. The other way is to use it. For an example if you want to support Wikileaks and the important work they are doing, support them by sending them your donations in bitcoins. Let other groups that rely on donations know that you would like to make your donations with bitcoins. Support sites that use bitcoins. Give bitcoins as presents (along with a list of the sites that sell things for bitcoins). Let others know about bitcoins and their advantages. Share your experience with using bitcoins. Does anybody have any other ideas to help bitcoin take off?
On Monday, September 30, 2013 7:30:58 AM UTC+2, archytas wrote:
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Nice video - I'd like to see Bitcoin take off as part of a new modular economics.
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I tried to contact Pat a while back including through his publisher ... . ... No luck
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I'm rather pleased to say rumours of rigs' demise are premature. She had some kind of access problem due to using AOL. This coincided with her being a bit ill and some family issues. We exchange missives a few times a week and she is feeling a lot better.
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I hope you are right Neil.. AOL and Yahoo are separate companies,, when i sent a email directly to her It was immediately returned with a permanent kill notice.. I hope she is still around..
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What about Pat? He just seems to have disappeared without even saying adieu.
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I'm rather pleased to say rumours of rigs' demise are premature. She had some kind of access problem due to using AOL. This coincided with her being a bit ill and some family issues. We exchange missives a few times a week and she is feeling a lot better.
On Monday, 30 September 2013 06:21:49 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote:??? what happened to Rigsy? is something wrong?On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rigsy email has permanently failed..I have a feeling he has passed on she was well into her 80'sOn Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Nice video - I'd like to see Bitcoin take off as part of a new modular economics.
On Tuesday, 24 September 2013 20:26:54 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
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Dear members of this group.
I have made a video on Bitcoin and would like to discuss it with you all and have your feedback.
For me Bitcoin is a breakthru that allows people to finally break from the banksters who in my opinion have held all of us hostage and have enslaved us with debt.
Before Bitcoin, the saying that "you cant`t live with them (the banks) and you can`t live without them" true.
Not any more.
The video on my YouTube channel is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGh-Z00SeY&list= UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFpe_A
For those that prefer text, you will find it below.
Bitcoin – Simplified
Bitcoin is to banks, what email is to post offices. Bitcoin allows you to send money to anybody, anywhere and anytime from your computer anonymously, securely, fast and with minimal cost.
Dealing with money requires trusting a centralized authority, like a bank, that issues money and manages your private data and your account and allows money in it to be safely transferred for a cost. They work with proprietary systems. When your encrypted data and account is on a distributed file sharing network, like a peer to peer (P2P) network running with open systems, nobody but you can access it and you do not need to trust and pay anyone to manage it for you.
Each P2P computer functions like a bank. It continually looks for and detects fraudulent transactions such as double spending and creates new supplies of money. Conventional money created unpredictably and without any limits to cover debts cheapens its value at the detriment of everyone. Bitcoins on the other hand are created at a predetermined rate that eventually reaches a limit whereby no more bitcoins can be created. Unlike money issued by banks, bitcoins are free to store and are not tied to a particular nation. Like cash, bitcoins allow for trade that is irreversible, anonymous and person to person, requiring no middlemen. Because no middlemen are required, transfer of funds is fast and cheap making micropayments of just a few cents feasible.
To deal with trust issues between sellers and buyers, escrow services are used. The bitcoins are placed in the control of independent and licensed third parties. Only when both seller and buyer verify that the transaction has been completed per terms set, is the money released. Any disputes between the parties in the transaction are resolved by the neutral escrow agent.
The detection of fraud is achieved by ensuring that honest computers in the P2P network that play by the rules have always more processing power collectively than any dishonest computers that cheat. This power is constantly checked by having the computers that process transactions collectively solve a difficult challenge within a 10 minute period. The challenge is very difficult to solve but very easy to verify once solved.
The following example tries to explain the challenge and the role it plays in avoiding fraud. The challenge example is finding the 2 numbers that add up to a certain randomly chosen number called the sum. As an example, If the chosen sum is 9, then possible answers to this challenge would be 1+8, 2+7, 3+6, and 4+5. The only way to find the solution to this problem is randomly trying combinations by brute force and checking each time if the 2 numbers are the correct answer. The size of the number determines how many random tries need to be made to find the right 2 numbers. Once the answer is found by one of the computers, they can be very easily verified by adding them to see if they add up to required sum.
The level of difficulty to each challenge is increased or decreased by increasing or decreasing the size of the sum. If the challenge is solved in less than 10 minutes, the difficulty level is increased. If it is solved in more than 10 minutes, the difficulty level is decreased. As long as the combined power of honest computers is greater than the power of the dishonest computer, the challenge will be won by one of the honest computers, no matter how little processing power it has, because solving the challenge is purely random. Finding an answer to a challenge is much like winning a lottery. The computers with greater power have a greater chance of finding the answer just like lottery players who buy more tickets have a better chance of winning. Because it takes time to cheat, and time to cover up fraud, the rules of the game called the protocol is set up in such a way that any cheating computer that wins the lottery by chance is handicapped and his chances of winning again are incrementally reduced.
Blocks of transactions cannot be changed without redoing the work that was required to create each block. The chain of blocks with the most number of blocks serves not only as proof of the sequence of transactions, but also records that this sequence was verified by a majority of the Bitcoin network's computing power. As long as a majority of computing power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network, they will generate the longest chain of records and outpace attackers.
The computer in the bitcoin network that wins this lottery by being the first to solve the challenge announces his solution to all the other computers who then accept his block of transactions as verified and start to work on collecting transactions and answering the next challenge. The winning computer gets rewarded with a set amount of newly issued bitcoins and collects all commissions of the transactions in the block that are specified by the buyers. To increase chances of winning, computers join pools and share the rewards if one of the pool members win. Newly verified blocks are built on blocks already verified and they are chained into the ever growing chain of blocks that make up the transaction log or ledger of all verified transactions.This prevents anyone from changing any past transactions.
There are many other alternate currencies, but all of them are local. Bitcoin is very unique. It is already 4 years old and is the first one that is internationally adopted and used on the internet. It promises to change the world as far as banking is concerned. From the dismal performance of the banksters, especially those considered "too big to fail", it is high time they were replaced. The politicians, especially those that are "too slick to nail" are also worried. The ground they are supported on is slowly sinking. In the meantime, the man who started this revolution has disappeared, either in hiding or caught. No wonder, he stepped on too many toes. There is talk about making bitcoins illegal. But being a distributed network with encryption that hides users and no one in charge to arrest, there is hope that bitcoins will survive.
No doubt it will be attacked by the system that faces to lose so much by bitcoin`s success. Fortunately any attempts of attacks quickly become computationally impractical if honest nodes control a majority of CPU power. The P2P nodes vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. This makes the system inherently democratic.
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I'm rather pleased to say rumours of rigs' demise are premature. She had some kind of access problem due to using AOL. This coincided with her being a bit ill and some family issues. We exchange missives a few times a week and she is feeling a lot better.
On Monday, 30 September 2013 06:21:49 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote:
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??? what happened to Rigsy? is something wrong?On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rigsy email has permanently failed..I have a feeling he has passed on she was well into her 80's--On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
sent an Email rigsy is not a spring chicken..I 2 hope she is ok..there is close to 1800 km between Chris and Rigsy--On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Gabby <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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??? what happened to Rigsy? is something wrong?
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Rigsy email has permanently failed..I have a feeling he has passed on she was well into her 80's--On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
sent an Email rigsy is not a spring chicken..I 2 hope she is ok..there is close to 1800 km between Chris and Rigsy--On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Gabby <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
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coincidence? I had wanted to write something about these electronics
and nets; sign up, long in etc. the question is, who takes after us (
inherits our account when we lose our being ), how do we get to know
if a member in a group on an internet pass on?
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and nets; sign up, long in etc. the question is, who takes after us (
inherits our account when we lose our being ), how do we get to know
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Rigsy email has permanently failed..
I have a feeling he has passed on she was well into her 80's
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sent an Email rigsy is not a spring chicken..I 2 hope she is ok..
there is close to 1800 km between Chris and Rigsy
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It is not the rich or the poor that are the real problem. It needs to be a.balance and be out of balance favoring extreme wealth. Wealth that has no purpose..
Wealth with out purpose leads to two things. Fear & War
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On Sep 26, 2013 3:22 AM, "richard blay" <richsun.b@gmail.com> wrote:
-- interesting ideas expressed here about the 'rich'. The rich need us as
we much need them. Suppose we balance the equation, that's, equal
wealth, I tell you without doubt that in about days there'll be again
the matter of poor and rich. It's not what we should do about the
rich, it's about what the poor should do about themselves; their
unrealistic desires and how to move from that class. Is not bad to get
rich in good ways.. I'm not rich nor poor though
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IMO the problem is not that there are rich and there are poor. The problem is that the rich are too rich and the poor are too poor. When you are playing monopoly and one person takes over the entire game, then it is no longer fun to play. Then you clear the board and start a new game. It is time to clean the board and start a new game. Bitcoin offers a possibility to do just that.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:39:44 PM UTC+2, Mando wrote:
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interesting ideas expressed here about the 'rich'. The rich need us as
we much need them. Suppose we balance the equation, that's, equal
wealth, I tell you without doubt that in about days there'll be again
the matter of poor and rich. It's not what we should do about the
rich, it's about what the poor should do about themselves; their
unrealistic desires and how to move from that class. Is not bad to get
rich in good ways.. I'm not rich nor poor though
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interesting ideas expressed here about the 'rich'. The rich need us as
we much need them. Suppose we balance the equation, that's, equal
wealth, I tell you without doubt that in about days there'll be again
the matter of poor and rich. It's not what we should do about the
rich, it's about what the poor should do about themselves; their
unrealistic desires and how to move from that class. Is not bad to get
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we much need them. Suppose we balance the equation, that's, equal
wealth, I tell you without doubt that in about days there'll be again
the matter of poor and rich. It's not what we should do about the
rich, it's about what the poor should do about themselves; their
unrealistic desires and how to move from that class. Is not bad to get
rich in good ways.. I'm not rich nor poor though
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Dear members of this group.
I have made a video on Bitcoin and would like to discuss it with you all and have your feedback.
For me Bitcoin is a breakthru that allows people to finally break from the banksters who in my opinion have held all of us hostage and have enslaved us with debt.
Before Bitcoin, the saying that "you cant`t live with them (the banks) and you can`t live without them" true.
Not any more.
The video on my YouTube channel is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGh-Z00SeY&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFpe_A
For those that prefer text, you will find it below.
-- I have made a video on Bitcoin and would like to discuss it with you all and have your feedback.
For me Bitcoin is a breakthru that allows people to finally break from the banksters who in my opinion have held all of us hostage and have enslaved us with debt.
Before Bitcoin, the saying that "you cant`t live with them (the banks) and you can`t live without them" true.
Not any more.
The video on my YouTube channel is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGh-Z00SeY&list=UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFpe_A
For those that prefer text, you will find it below.
Bitcoin – Simplified
Bitcoin is to banks, what email is to post offices. Bitcoin allows you to send money to anybody, anywhere and anytime from your computer anonymously, securely, fast and with minimal cost.
Dealing with money requires trusting a centralized authority, like a bank, that issues money and manages your private data and your account and allows money in it to be safely transferred for a cost. They work with proprietary systems. When your encrypted data and account is on a distributed file sharing network, like a peer to peer (P2P) network running with open systems, nobody but you can access it and you do not need to trust and pay anyone to manage it for you.
Each P2P computer functions like a bank. It continually looks for and detects fraudulent transactions such as double spending and creates new supplies of money. Conventional money created unpredictably and without any limits to cover debts cheapens its value at the detriment of everyone. Bitcoins on the other hand are created at a predetermined rate that eventually reaches a limit whereby no more bitcoins can be created. Unlike money issued by banks, bitcoins are free to store and are not tied to a particular nation. Like cash, bitcoins allow for trade that is irreversible, anonymous and person to person, requiring no middlemen. Because no middlemen are required, transfer of funds is fast and cheap making micropayments of just a few cents feasible.
To deal with trust issues between sellers and buyers, escrow services are used. The bitcoins are placed in the control of independent and licensed third parties. Only when both seller and buyer verify that the transaction has been completed per terms set, is the money released. Any disputes between the parties in the transaction are resolved by the neutral escrow agent.
The detection of fraud is achieved by ensuring that honest computers in the P2P network that play by the rules have always more processing power collectively than any dishonest computers that cheat. This power is constantly checked by having the computers that process transactions collectively solve a difficult challenge within a 10 minute period. The challenge is very difficult to solve but very easy to verify once solved.
The following example tries to explain the challenge and the role it plays in avoiding fraud. The challenge example is finding the 2 numbers that add up to a certain randomly chosen number called the sum. As an example, If the chosen sum is 9, then possible answers to this challenge would be 1+8, 2+7, 3+6, and 4+5. The only way to find the solution to this problem is randomly trying combinations by brute force and checking each time if the 2 numbers are the correct answer. The size of the number determines how many random tries need to be made to find the right 2 numbers. Once the answer is found by one of the computers, they can be very easily verified by adding them to see if they add up to required sum.
The level of difficulty to each challenge is increased or decreased by increasing or decreasing the size of the sum. If the challenge is solved in less than 10 minutes, the difficulty level is increased. If it is solved in more than 10 minutes, the difficulty level is decreased. As long as the combined power of honest computers is greater than the power of the dishonest computer, the challenge will be won by one of the honest computers, no matter how little processing power it has, because solving the challenge is purely random. Finding an answer to a challenge is much like winning a lottery. The computers with greater power have a greater chance of finding the answer just like lottery players who buy more tickets have a better chance of winning. Because it takes time to cheat, and time to cover up fraud, the rules of the game called the protocol is set up in such a way that any cheating computer that wins the lottery by chance is handicapped and his chances of winning again are incrementally reduced.
Blocks of transactions cannot be changed without redoing the work that was required to create each block. The chain of blocks with the most number of blocks serves not only as proof of the sequence of transactions, but also records that this sequence was verified by a majority of the Bitcoin network's computing power. As long as a majority of computing power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network, they will generate the longest chain of records and outpace attackers.
The computer in the bitcoin network that wins this lottery by being the first to solve the challenge announces his solution to all the other computers who then accept his block of transactions as verified and start to work on collecting transactions and answering the next challenge. The winning computer gets rewarded with a set amount of newly issued bitcoins and collects all commissions of the transactions in the block that are specified by the buyers. To increase chances of winning, computers join pools and share the rewards if one of the pool members win. Newly verified blocks are built on blocks already verified and they are chained into the ever growing chain of blocks that make up the transaction log or ledger of all verified transactions.This prevents anyone from changing any past transactions.
There are many other alternate currencies, but all of them are local. Bitcoin is very unique. It is already 4 years old and is the first one that is internationally adopted and used on the internet. It promises to change the world as far as banking is concerned. From the dismal performance of the banksters, especially those considered "too big to fail", it is high time they were replaced. The politicians, especially those that are "too slick to nail" are also worried. The ground they are supported on is slowly sinking. In the meantime, the man who started this revolution has disappeared, either in hiding or caught. No wonder, he stepped on too many toes. There is talk about making bitcoins illegal. But being a distributed network with encryption that hides users and no one in charge to arrest, there is hope that bitcoins will survive.
No doubt it will be attacked by the system that faces to lose so much by bitcoin`s success. Fortunately any attempts of attacks quickly become computationally impractical if honest nodes control a majority of CPU power. The P2P nodes vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. This makes the system inherently democratic.
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You rag about the economy like I rag about the soul..
the problem is the economy is being run by Banksters you know the high priests of the cult of the Golden Calf.. So the problem comes down to a spiritual problem.. which leads path of greed .. empowered since ancient times..
seems they have control of the economy..
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
Well spotted Allan - maybe the others will catch up now!--
On Saturday, 21 September 2013 08:46:45 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:what do you expect Neil the economy is one big joke ... you have said that yourselfOn Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:Freud's Jokes and Their Relation to the Unconscious can be read as a fundamental economic and rhetorical treatise on a number of different levels. Viewed most basically, this work outlines the economizing mechanisms that Freud believes are at work in all unconscious psychic operations. In this regard, Jokes focuses on the third dimension Freud associated with his general metapsychological project, the first two being the topological and the dynamic aspects of psychic life. But on a more profound level, economic thought, structures, and metaphors invade Freud's text in its very rhetoric and discursive structure. However, the parallels between the economics and the rhetoric of this work do not end here. Jokes assume a privileged status in Freud's theory because, as acts of interhuman communicative transfer, they demonstrate that certain psychic structures not only operate unconsciously, but can also be consciously manipulated to achieve strategic psychological effects and affects in others. Jokes thereby manifest the social and rhetorical dimensions of precisely those "economic" principles by which they function. Ultimately, these very same joke mechanisms—deferral, displacement, repetition, anticipatory tension—inform the rhetoric and argumentative structure of this very treatise. Just as the joke-teller invests inordinate intellectual energy in the joke just so that he or she will receive a residual pleasure through the laughter of the joke-audience, Freud as author of this treatise deploys joke-mechanisms to win over his own readers in an effort to gain currency for himself as scientist, and for the project of psychoanalysis more generally.--Those Germans - you've just got to laugh! They even make a joke of economics.
On Sunday, 15 September 2013 09:27:35 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:Roughly speaking, the difference is the agreed upon difference within a historically evolved sociological entity as expressed and replicated in their language. These language barriers have never stopped me in assuming I understand the topic under discussion. Ahem. Ah well, I had myself affected by Molly's impuls and looked up how Freud had solved the consciousness/ awareness confusion. Here is a language excerpt from "Der Witz und seine Beziehung zum Unbewußten" by Sigmund Freud:"Beim Erwachsenen scheint es allgemeingültige Bedingung für den traumschaffenden Wunsch, daß er dem bewußten Denken fremd, also ein verdrängter Wunsch sei, oder doch, daß er dem Bewußtsein unbekannte Verstärkungen haben könne. Ohne Annahme des Unbewußten in dem oben dargelegten Sinne wüßte ich die Theorie des Traumes nicht weiter zu entwickeln und das Erfahrungsmaterial der Traumanalysen nicht zu deuten. Die Einwirkung dieses unbewußten Wunsches auf das bewußtseinskorrekte Material der Traumgedanken ergibt nun den Traum. Letzteres wird dabei gleichsam ins Unbewußte herabgezogen, genauer gesagt, einer Behandlung ausgesetzt, wie sie auf der Stufe der unbewußten Denkvorgänge vorkömmlich und für diese Stufe charakteristisch ist. Wir kennen die Charaktere des unbewußten Denkens und dessen Unterschiede vom bewußtseinsfähigen »vorbewußten« bisher nur aus den Ergebnissen eben der »Traumarbeit«. "He speaks of Bewußt-sein and the Un-bewußt-en. The pre- and suf-fixes make the difference here. He did not really differentiate between human- and god-consciousness. Speaking of really or reality, in German we are allowed to make a difference between Realität (reality) and Wirklichkeit (reality in effect). Quite useful sometimes.2013/9/15 RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>If consciousness is not awareness , what is it ? What is the difference between human consciousness and god-consciousness ?--On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are confusing consciousness with awareness in the conversation. Consciousness is. It is infinite. Some say that God is consciousness and we are the limited expression, like a passing thought. I don't know about that. But I do know that my awareness of consciousness, whether mental, emotional, spiritual or physical, can (but does not always) limit my experience of consciousness. Our viewpoint, vantage point, or sum total of our awareness in any given moment (or in some cases, the moment eternal) creates our own unique experience of life.When psychologists use the term conscious mind, unconscious mind, they are referring to a specific aspect of mind - what we are and are not aware of in our experience. When Freud hijacked the term, he knew that Hermetic philosophy used it quite differently. This subtle, yet significant semantic aspect of the conversation seems to be creating barriers to communication. Agreeing on the terms is important when delving this deep.
On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:29:10 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Butt away pol - we'll never bottom this one. We are sort of conscious of the unconscious as we have a name for it and can be aware of such as unconscious desires at some point. The only good god is a dead one RP. Saves on the embarrassment of him not turning up when asked. I'm tempted to say a dead immortal is a bit like a Cretan saying all Cretans are liars, Gabby makes sense and other such ... though there are known counterexamples on the latter two.
On Friday, 13 September 2013 15:54:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:Is an unconscious God equal to a dead one? If that were so Life with order and intelligence wouldn't come out of it. We have become so used to thinking of oblivion as death that the possibility of the greatest power to exist in an unconscious state doesn't find acceptance in our belief-systems. Consciousness or awareness is a must for us , the finite individuals , but for the One who is infinite and the source of all , it would be limiting. Consciousness is limiting as it cannot be infinite and has boundaries , also it entails two , the creator and the creation , which is against logic at least to my mind.--
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Well spotted Allan - maybe the others will catch up now!
On Saturday, 21 September 2013 08:46:45 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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what do you expect Neil the economy is one big joke ... you have said that yourselfOn Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:Freud's Jokes and Their Relation to the Unconscious can be read as a fundamental economic and rhetorical treatise on a number of different levels. Viewed most basically, this work outlines the economizing mechanisms that Freud believes are at work in all unconscious psychic operations. In this regard, Jokes focuses on the third dimension Freud associated with his general metapsychological project, the first two being the topological and the dynamic aspects of psychic life. But on a more profound level, economic thought, structures, and metaphors invade Freud's text in its very rhetoric and discursive structure. However, the parallels between the economics and the rhetoric of this work do not end here. Jokes assume a privileged status in Freud's theory because, as acts of interhuman communicative transfer, they demonstrate that certain psychic structures not only operate unconsciously, but can also be consciously manipulated to achieve strategic psychological effects and affects in others. Jokes thereby manifest the social and rhetorical dimensions of precisely those "economic" principles by which they function. Ultimately, these very same joke mechanisms—deferral, displacement, repetition, anticipatory tension—inform the rhetoric and argumentative structure of this very treatise. Just as the joke-teller invests inordinate intellectual energy in the joke just so that he or she will receive a residual pleasure through the laughter of the joke-audience, Freud as author of this treatise deploys joke-mechanisms to win over his own readers in an effort to gain currency for himself as scientist, and for the project of psychoanalysis more generally.--Those Germans - you've just got to laugh! They even make a joke of economics.
On Sunday, 15 September 2013 09:27:35 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:Roughly speaking, the difference is the agreed upon difference within a historically evolved sociological entity as expressed and replicated in their language. These language barriers have never stopped me in assuming I understand the topic under discussion. Ahem. Ah well, I had myself affected by Molly's impuls and looked up how Freud had solved the consciousness/ awareness confusion. Here is a language excerpt from "Der Witz und seine Beziehung zum Unbewußten" by Sigmund Freud:"Beim Erwachsenen scheint es allgemeingültige Bedingung für den traumschaffenden Wunsch, daß er dem bewußten Denken fremd, also ein verdrängter Wunsch sei, oder doch, daß er dem Bewußtsein unbekannte Verstärkungen haben könne. Ohne Annahme des Unbewußten in dem oben dargelegten Sinne wüßte ich die Theorie des Traumes nicht weiter zu entwickeln und das Erfahrungsmaterial der Traumanalysen nicht zu deuten. Die Einwirkung dieses unbewußten Wunsches auf das bewußtseinskorrekte Material der Traumgedanken ergibt nun den Traum. Letzteres wird dabei gleichsam ins Unbewußte herabgezogen, genauer gesagt, einer Behandlung ausgesetzt, wie sie auf der Stufe der unbewußten Denkvorgänge vorkömmlich und für diese Stufe charakteristisch ist. Wir kennen die Charaktere des unbewußten Denkens und dessen Unterschiede vom bewußtseinsfähigen »vorbewußten« bisher nur aus den Ergebnissen eben der »Traumarbeit«. "He speaks of Bewußt-sein and the Un-bewußt-en. The pre- and suf-fixes make the difference here. He did not really differentiate between human- and god-consciousness. Speaking of really or reality, in German we are allowed to make a difference between Realität (reality) and Wirklichkeit (reality in effect). Quite useful sometimes.2013/9/15 RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>If consciousness is not awareness , what is it ? What is the difference between human consciousness and god-consciousness ?--On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are confusing consciousness with awareness in the conversation. Consciousness is. It is infinite. Some say that God is consciousness and we are the limited expression, like a passing thought. I don't know about that. But I do know that my awareness of consciousness, whether mental, emotional, spiritual or physical, can (but does not always) limit my experience of consciousness. Our viewpoint, vantage point, or sum total of our awareness in any given moment (or in some cases, the moment eternal) creates our own unique experience of life.When psychologists use the term conscious mind, unconscious mind, they are referring to a specific aspect of mind - what we are and are not aware of in our experience. When Freud hijacked the term, he knew that Hermetic philosophy used it quite differently. This subtle, yet significant semantic aspect of the conversation seems to be creating barriers to communication. Agreeing on the terms is important when delving this deep.
On Friday, September 13, 2013 6:29:10 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Butt away pol - we'll never bottom this one. We are sort of conscious of the unconscious as we have a name for it and can be aware of such as unconscious desires at some point. The only good god is a dead one RP. Saves on the embarrassment of him not turning up when asked. I'm tempted to say a dead immortal is a bit like a Cretan saying all Cretans are liars, Gabby makes sense and other such ... though there are known counterexamples on the latter two.
On Friday, 13 September 2013 15:54:34 UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:Is an unconscious God equal to a dead one? If that were so Life with order and intelligence wouldn't come out of it. We have become so used to thinking of oblivion as death that the possibility of the greatest power to exist in an unconscious state doesn't find acceptance in our belief-systems. Consciousness or awareness is a must for us , the finite individuals , but for the One who is infinite and the source of all , it would be limiting. Consciousness is limiting as it cannot be infinite and has boundaries , also it entails two , the creator and the creation , which is against logic at least to my mind.--
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