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Have been called far worse.
I actually wrote out the rules years ago so I could write poetry. . Also how to break them.. then it became easy.. never could figure out the guidelines for other formats of poetry..
But it is both easy and fun to write.
Poetry
With lines of three
Middle longer
Bending
To fit language
Needs
Ideas
Ever expanding
Thoughts
Minimum
One set of three
Growing
Occasionally
Fourth line added
Emphasis
Variable
Fitting mood
Variable
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Have been called far worse.
I actually wrote out the rules years ago so I could write poetry. . Also how to break them.. then it became easy.. never could figure out the guidelines for other formats of poetry..
But it is both easy and fun to write.
Poetry
With lines of three
Middle longer
Bending
To fit language
Needs
Ideas
Ever expanding
Thoughts
Minimum
One set of three
Growing
Occasionally
Fourth line added
Emphasis
Variable
Fitting mood
Variable
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
I actually wrote out the rules years ago so I could write poetry. . Also how to break them.. then it became easy.. never could figure out the guidelines for other formats of poetry..
But it is both easy and fun to write.
Poetry
With lines of three
Middle longer
Bending
To fit language
Needs
Ideas
Ever expanding
Thoughts
Minimum
One set of three
Growing
Occasionally
Fourth line added
Emphasis
Variable
Fitting mood
Variable
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
OK Al - you're are a dorf then! Actually, I quite like the shit - I mean 'gems' - and will continue to say so as long as you control the trapdoors on this airship!
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:46:48 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
-- On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:46:48 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Officially it is called dorphian poetry an ancient may made up word meaning looking around.
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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?We would have made an exception in your case Molly, despite the Vogon poetry you encourage in Allan. Wouldn't that be fuckin with ya'll? Just ya sounds like German brevity....
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:31:58 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Nah, I'm just fuckin with ya.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:29:51 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:I'm a vegan.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 7:45:33 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Nah! They don't meet the general humanity features for species inclusion.
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 22:40:49 UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:Hmmm...vegans?On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Consider it done Chris. We have some room on the evil list too. Any suggestions?
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:33:28 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:A week in Clearwater is a prize, not a punishment! I humbly request to be placed back on the weird list, though.On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:I've removed you from my weird list Chris, moving you to 'modern iconoclast' with an 'invite to parties' star. The only higher plane is 'brings more beer than she drinks and brings a sister not an alter'. I shall have one of the group imps admonish the Heretic for his error. The normal sanction would be a week in Clearwater, but he is a repeat offender and may need two weeks or the full half-hour tour of Bolton architecture.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:02:52 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:It's also accurate. ;)On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:59 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Sorry. I was informed of my error in the time line.. you were in charged when joined ME.. the weird fellow was meant as humorous. .
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-----Original Message-----From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?No, Craig is the weird fellow that started the group. I'm just the one who accepted the mantle when he left.--On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:24 AM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Chris is the weird fellow that started the ME group..
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.comSent: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels like cowardice to me Allan.
Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?
On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:--Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here! You need to fight with me!
Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :--If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
Are you for war or against war.. your lip flapping is anything but neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. . Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .
I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no neutrality.
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From: andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. Judges in order to do their job right have to remain neutral. Parents should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And something regarded as morally correct at one time can be regarded as immorally wrong at another time.--
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Neutrality is afraid of taking a position. A cowards way out.. how now to stand up for what is morally correct..
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-----Original Message-----
From: andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far out weight any of the few positive consequences.--
The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, especially in the modern times that we live in.:
1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit rewards.
2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and exchange projects and the internet.
3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and sanctions.
4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and contraception.
5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love your enemies, then you will not have any.
Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct democracy.
On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of diversity,
Examples are:
If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the cantons and the refusal to join Euro.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:Very interesting question you pose Molly.
Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that there is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons and fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being an aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground.
The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are bullied.
3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your friends who are bullied.
4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who are bullied.
5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself.
The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more difficult to spot of course:
1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of peace.
2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is claimed to have said, then you will not have any.
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, playwright, and activist, whose life's work focused on a wide range of issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race" http://bit.ly/1FwyDUPWe go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
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The Commies never were that good at being commie Don. There are some good arguments the US was and is much better at it. Communism was only meant for the elite anyway, the 35,000 Greeks living on the backs of 400,000 slaves in Athens. Hard to know what they used women for, other than breeding, though they let them out to attend funerals if they got past 60.
-- I reckon the quality of our lives would go up a lot with less work, less being screwed by bosses and (on a long list) some decent entertainment. How long is it since the Boss was croaking '57 channels and nothing to watch'? But if we slacken off the lies on work ethic and don't stay ahead on technology and military stuff, how long before we become terrorist-freedom-fighters against the Islamist plague? In the past women converted quickly - we guys were slower, perhaps because we needed adult circumcision. There are reasons for the F-35s. But soon, because we gave the East manufacturing technologies, they will be up to speed.
Not sure we can talk any of this through under current formulas.
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:11:32 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:11:32 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote:
TMNT was a b&w comic first Neil. Good art and excellent absurdist humor. As with a great deal of technology the 3-D printers will be eliminating jobs. That's life. That's ok though because soon enough we'll all be payed to vote. It will be just enough to keep us fed, clothed and housed with anything we get done on the black market or working for the government(whatever the New World Order calls government) as gravy and "extra." Us Westerners will necessarily need to drastically lower or standards of living to accommodate those less fortunate. Of course, those of us with political or family connections(same thing) will get "perks" and favors to help compensate for the loss of freedom to the masses. Ah, ain't Communism grand?But I digress...dj
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:We'll make progress once these 3-d printers start falling off the backs of lorries and into our price range. I have the mutant turtle potion - all that was putting me off was the sewer living. One we have our Zepallan the world can be saved.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 5:14:17 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:(",) lol
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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingStrange how so many gas bags can't stick an airship together.--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:00:54 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Airship is still in the dream stage of construction my pocket change keeps coming up short..
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From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingSounds like we could all use a drink. Together would be nice. When does the airship launch, Allan?--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 3:00:45 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a good Scots hard cider. Then distilled into a fine whiskey which could be sold in Florida with squeezed mash going to make feed pellets for Australian Snooks. Then we can take half whiskey to put through the filtration process to remove any remaining particles leaving the golden remains of Golden Kickapoo juice. Splitting that in half we do a low temperature distill to bring down the alcohol less than 0.0% with the alcohol dripping back into the Kickapoo leave a sweet golden ambrosia fit for Neil and other discerning guest that enjoy a fine alcohol free beverage with a fine smoky taste.
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingMetal powder fusion-casting was around in the 70's in the making of diamond drills and saw blades, On the cyborg matter, I have no problem with the idea of growing a false steel beard like Chris and enjoying beer only through the addition of pleasure routines.--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 3:06:58 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote:I'm not letting my vodka (brewed by Bulgarians next door) anywhere near a water filter. In fact, I don't let my water near a water filter. All sounds like filtering a craft beer to get Budwesier to me.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:47:04 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:don't count on it.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:26:41 PM UTC-4, Chris Jenkins wrote:Fun fact: repeatedly pouring bottom shelf vodka through a Britta filter pitcher will turn it into top shelf vodka.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:All good distilled liquor is aged.. vodka being a good distilled drink need some aging even vodka.. with 5 minutes minimum aging. We can legally call it aged....
Additives.. could be interesting. But i do not think cod liver oil and good aged vodka would cut it..
Good aged Irish moonshine..
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To: mind...@googlegroups.comSent: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingI could go with the Auntie Molly brand. But it could sound too wimpy. and pochin can taste good warm from the still - so what's this 5 minute thingy? How do we get macho into something that doesn't kill you like nicotine and alcohol.--Pissed all day, living forever in perfect health?Try some illness additive with your Molly's.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:30:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Does your liver quiver.
Buy "Molly's Special Irish Liver Health Vodka" aged a minimum of 5 minutes before bottling.
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Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingLiver Health Whiskey - we might have to do some creative work on the branding!--
On Monday, 30 March 2015 16:15:09 UTC+1, Allan Heretic werote:Gotta vatch dem aliens an der tonic liver health stuff.
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingThat's enough from the coffee waiter! My aliens make a whiskey health tonic, sadly not available to Earth livers.--I have problems with the geometry of how these printers work, including their equivalents in biological manufacturing. How did that lizard growth a new leg?
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:17:15 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:From what I understand the Russian Government is claiming vodka is a water replacement that numbs the economic woes..
I'll pass thank you anyway.
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Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:58 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingNot sure what really big means, but the biggest I've seen is probably at the Society of Manufacturing Engineers expo, about 6'x12'x12', the portable model used for shows. I'm sure the auto plants in the are have some in use already as the supplier companies attend at least a dozen various shows throughout the year, including the North American International Auto Show that puts almost a million people through the center in two weeks.--Vodka's not a health food?
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 11:21:46 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Nah! I'd rather take a flight to Schipol and cadge some strong espresso from Allan. Have you seen any of the really big 3-D printers? Some of them are printing with plasma metals.And there's no need for you to start casting aspersions just because someone else isn't!
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 11:31:50 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Drinking tonight? don't do anything we will regret.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Chris and I should already be marketing the 'stop at 9 inches' software for the hardware.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:27:11 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:There have been several events through the center this year focusing additive manufacturing, or 3D printing, that has become so exact that auto parts can be manufactured successfully with the technology: http://www.manufacturingglobal.com/technology/408/INDUSTRY-A The medical industry has even started making body parts: http://markets.financialconteNALYSIS:-The-pros-and-cons-of- 3d-printing nt.com/stocks/news/read?GUID= 29487729 Not sure I would sign up for that, but what do you think? Game changer?
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OK Al - you're are a dorf then! Actually, I quite like the shit - I mean 'gems' - and will continue to say so as long as you control the trapdoors on this airship!
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:46:48 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
-- On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:46:48 AM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Officially it is called dorphian poetry an ancient may made up word meaning looking around.
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-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?We would have made an exception in your case Molly, despite the Vogon poetry you encourage in Allan. Wouldn't that be fuckin with ya'll? Just ya sounds like German brevity....
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:31:58 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Nah, I'm just fuckin with ya.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:29:51 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:I'm a vegan.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 7:45:33 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Nah! They don't meet the general humanity features for species inclusion.
On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 22:40:49 UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:Hmmm...vegans?On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Consider it done Chris. We have some room on the evil list too. Any suggestions?
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:33:28 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:A week in Clearwater is a prize, not a punishment! I humbly request to be placed back on the weird list, though.On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:I've removed you from my weird list Chris, moving you to 'modern iconoclast' with an 'invite to parties' star. The only higher plane is 'brings more beer than she drinks and brings a sister not an alter'. I shall have one of the group imps admonish the Heretic for his error. The normal sanction would be a week in Clearwater, but he is a repeat offender and may need two weeks or the full half-hour tour of Bolton architecture.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:02:52 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:It's also accurate. ;)On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:59 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Sorry. I was informed of my error in the time line.. you were in charged when joined ME.. the weird fellow was meant as humorous. .
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-----Original Message-----From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?No, Craig is the weird fellow that started the group. I'm just the one who accepted the mantle when he left.--On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:24 AM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Chris is the weird fellow that started the ME group..
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels like cowardice to me Allan.
Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?
On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:--Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here! You need to fight with me!
Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :--If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
Are you for war or against war.. your lip flapping is anything but neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. . Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .
I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no neutrality.
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. Judges in order to do their job right have to remain neutral. Parents should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And something regarded as morally correct at one time can be regarded as immorally wrong at another time.--
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Neutrality is afraid of taking a position. A cowards way out.. how now to stand up for what is morally correct..
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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far out weight any of the few positive consequences.--
The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, especially in the modern times that we live in.:
1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit rewards.
2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and exchange projects and the internet.
3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and sanctions.
4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and contraception.
5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love your enemies, then you will not have any.
Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct democracy.
On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of diversity,
Examples are:
If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the cantons and the refusal to join Euro.
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:Very interesting question you pose Molly.
Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that there is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons and fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being an aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground.
The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are bullied.
3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your friends who are bullied.
4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who are bullied.
5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself.
The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more difficult to spot of course:
1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of peace.
2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is claimed to have said, then you will not have any.
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, playwright, and activist, whose life's work focused on a wide range of issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race" http://bit.ly/1FwyDUPWe go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?
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They already have female grunts in Denmark Don. Couldn't give a rat's arse about the gender angles myself. We get nearly all that stuff wrong anyway. Like all thsat bleating about peace and love and ban the bomb from dorks with no idea what would happen if we slack off. The creeps who look at someone smoking as though they are more evil than a society of beheading black-baggers. Some liberalism is so stupid I can't beat it.
-- But I'd like news in newsrooms rather than gossip, flirting and propaganda. No arguments can really start if we go on pretending economics is a science or like one somehow, and avoid the obvious power-play in place about staying ahead. It's like imagining people will tell you the truth about the boss while she's standing there. Most jobs are so bullshit now anyone could do them and we wouldn't notice if they stopped!
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:44:18 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote:
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:44:18 AM UTC+1, Don Johnson wrote:
I'm not a shoe sniffer myself but must admit I do appreciate a small, well manicured foot. I didn't know you all got Fox News over there across the pond. Y'all have Sky News which I think is owned by the same guy, Murdoch, every libs favorite punching boy. I assume Sky News hires beautiful women just like Fox does. My opinion is it wouldn't be any better then if they hired "normal" looking people. We used to have show here filled with the elderly and middle-aged hags except for the conservative voice in the group who was a sexy youngster. Elizabeth Hasselbeck. She was, of course, portrayed as stupid, vapid, ignorant and naive by almost all the reviews of the show. I thought she was great. I think she got fired. The shows ratings tanked soon after. Or maybe it was because Baba Wawa quit I dunno.What we all must never forget is what Animal Farm taught most of us in grade school. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal then others." All the legislation and all the marching and bitching and moaning is never going to change this. The best we can do is assure we ourselves aren't marginalized as much as possible. So, do your job and do it well and make sure your boss knows you're worth. Or find another job. Women have their advantages ignoring this is foolish. One is they used to not have to go to war. Now some genius femminists have made sure they can serve on Navy ships and now subs and soon probably as combat soldiers. Idiocy in my opinion. Wrong in every way possible and hurtful to men, women and the human race in general. Women guard the home. If an invader enters the house she can club him with a frying pan. Or ventilate him with a handgun if she has one. You don't send baby incubators off to get shot at. *grunting like pig*
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:22:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:Can't get enough of them myself. Rosa's time is round again, our politics back to sordid choices of left and right that are no choice at all. Our sacrilegious women are perhaps the Greens, though the Anglicans have thrown up a female Bishop. My genes, of course, organise my view of women in some dire connection with libidinal reproduction and sexual preference. It is somehow profane to talk of such, yet this "language" is everywhere. Women are these "things" in front of me in newsrooms are they? I use the word "things" in the sense of how the bevy of 'beauty' hits me. Bored with no news, and I can't remember in what year there last was any, my mind runs a little salacious. I don't notice the men, as they do nothing at all for my crude eye, other than get looked at by the "things" in occasional adoration. And what are these "things", cooing no news?I grant, to an extent, that I have become a sad old man, like one of Plato's characters in The Republik, watching naked gymnastics. Yet it isn't me who writes in complaining I can't see the legs on these "things". You see, I'd listen to Microsoft Sam ahead of the sickening bimboism of the newsroom, he "he" had any actual news. Newsrooms are just one example of of the glaring use of crude sexuality, mannered into manners as though some decent way of being. This "way of being" is just another way to make real people, real women invisible. One trip to the town centre, and I know these newsroom things must be another species. They wouldn't add up to one Rosa, maybe not the shoe left in the mud.Real people have been invisible or are rendered so in our history. There are no people in our newsrooms, nothing sacrilegious enough to be real. The pornography is obvious. Yet this is easily made invisible by making it profane to speak of. What a dirty old man I must be to notice any of this. Did I mention that whatever is in these newsrooms bores me to death and disgusts me? It is a sexist, ageist, lookist, ableist generally pretty world, the profane as the sacred. In a classic incident in the UK, Susanna Reid, once a cute bimbo at least, now some over-tanned and past it before 40 'orange person', was bought from the BBC to resurrect ratings on ITV. and pay her somewhere near £500,000. Letters flooded in when they exhibited her behind a desk and "we" couldn't see her legs.Top Gear is now in the toilet owning to Clarkson having some spat with a producer. I think it's long past time to get real in sacrilegious protest. Quite how these aliens make us invisible to each other I don't know yet. They are overpaid and the 'sex' they offer is probably some kind of pheromone like that used by slaver ants. One smell of Rosa's shoe is antidote - but now you'll all be thinking the wrong thing!
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:07:07 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Some of my best friends are sacrilegious women.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:In 1919 Rosa Luxemburg, the revolutionary, was murdered in Berlin.Her killers bludgeoned her with rifle blows and tossed her into the waters of a canal.Along the way, she lost a shoe.Some hand picked it up, that shoe dropped in the mud.Rosa longed for a world where justice would not be sacrificed in the name of freedom, nor freedom sacrificed in the name of justice.Every day, some hand picks up that banner.Dropped in the mud, like the shoe.Uruguayan writer Eduardo Galeano.I don't want to write in praise of women. There should be no need. The particular trials (and terrors and losses and triumphs) of women in a world that generally prefers to ignore whatever they did or dreamed of doing mean little to me, much as I love sacrilegious women. I am now sick of the equality movement in as far as it is based on gender. We need more equality, but the gender debate is now more often about special pleading, from new men trying to get inside knickers to posh white tarts breaking the glass ceiling and turning out to be just as corrupt as the posh white crooks already up there.What i'd like to see us work out is how we can put together a society that doesn't disable people. "Success" disables other people. Does it matter if your crap boss is male or female, or that the CEO of Apple is gay? Not if you've just seen your kid killed in an Apple supply chain mud slide, it don't. I want to see more sacrilegious women kicking over the traces of newsroom bimbos (the female on is the one looking dreamily at the male one, as I understand the ethography), not the sisterhood of posh.
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I'm not a shoe sniffer myself but must admit I do appreciate a small, well manicured foot. I didn't know you all got Fox News over there across the pond. Y'all have Sky News which I think is owned by the same guy, Murdoch, every libs favorite punching boy. I assume Sky News hires beautiful women just like Fox does. My opinion is it wouldn't be any better then if they hired "normal" looking people. We used to have show here filled with the elderly and middle-aged hags except for the conservative voice in the group who was a sexy youngster. Elizabeth Hasselbeck. She was, of course, portrayed as stupid, vapid, ignorant and naive by almost all the reviews of the show. I thought she was great. I think she got fired. The shows ratings tanked soon after. Or maybe it was because Baba Wawa quit I dunno.
-- What we all must never forget is what Animal Farm taught most of us in grade school. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal then others." All the legislation and all the marching and bitching and moaning is never going to change this. The best we can do is assure we ourselves aren't marginalized as much as possible. So, do your job and do it well and make sure your boss knows you're worth. Or find another job. Women have their advantages ignoring this is foolish. One is they used to not have to go to war. Now some genius femminists have made sure they can serve on Navy ships and now subs and soon probably as combat soldiers. Idiocy in my opinion. Wrong in every way possible and hurtful to men, women and the human race in general. Women guard the home. If an invader enters the house she can club him with a frying pan. Or ventilate him with a handgun if she has one. You don't send baby incubators off to get shot at. *grunting like pig*
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:22:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:22:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
Can't get enough of them myself. Rosa's time is round again, our politics back to sordid choices of left and right that are no choice at all. Our sacrilegious women are perhaps the Greens, though the Anglicans have thrown up a female Bishop. My genes, of course, organise my view of women in some dire connection with libidinal reproduction and sexual preference. It is somehow profane to talk of such, yet this "language" is everywhere. Women are these "things" in front of me in newsrooms are they? I use the word "things" in the sense of how the bevy of 'beauty' hits me. Bored with no news, and I can't remember in what year there last was any, my mind runs a little salacious. I don't notice the men, as they do nothing at all for my crude eye, other than get looked at by the "things" in occasional adoration. And what are these "things", cooing no news?I grant, to an extent, that I have become a sad old man, like one of Plato's characters in The Republik, watching naked gymnastics. Yet it isn't me who writes in complaining I can't see the legs on these "things". You see, I'd listen to Microsoft Sam ahead of the sickening bimboism of the newsroom, he "he" had any actual news. Newsrooms are just one example of of the glaring use of crude sexuality, mannered into manners as though some decent way of being. This "way of being" is just another way to make real people, real women invisible. One trip to the town centre, and I know these newsroom things must be another species. They wouldn't add up to one Rosa, maybe not the shoe left in the mud.Real people have been invisible or are rendered so in our history. There are no people in our newsrooms, nothing sacrilegious enough to be real. The pornography is obvious. Yet this is easily made invisible by making it profane to speak of. What a dirty old man I must be to notice any of this. Did I mention that whatever is in these newsrooms bores me to death and disgusts me? It is a sexist, ageist, lookist, ableist generally pretty world, the profane as the sacred. In a classic incident in the UK, Susanna Reid, once a cute bimbo at least, now some over-tanned and past it before 40 'orange person', was bought from the BBC to resurrect ratings on ITV. and pay her somewhere near £500,000. Letters flooded in when they exhibited her behind a desk and "we" couldn't see her legs.Top Gear is now in the toilet owning to Clarkson having some spat with a producer. I think it's long past time to get real in sacrilegious protest. Quite how these aliens make us invisible to each other I don't know yet. They are overpaid and the 'sex' they offer is probably some kind of pheromone like that used by slaver ants. One smell of Rosa's shoe is antidote - but now you'll all be thinking the wrong thing!
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:07:07 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Some of my best friends are sacrilegious women.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:In 1919 Rosa Luxemburg, the revolutionary, was murdered in Berlin.Her killers bludgeoned her with rifle blows and tossed her into the waters of a canal.Along the way, she lost a shoe.Some hand picked it up, that shoe dropped in the mud.Rosa longed for a world where justice would not be sacrificed in the name of freedom, nor freedom sacrificed in the name of justice.Every day, some hand picks up that banner.Dropped in the mud, like the shoe.Uruguayan writer Eduardo Galeano.I don't want to write in praise of women. There should be no need. The particular trials (and terrors and losses and triumphs) of women in a world that generally prefers to ignore whatever they did or dreamed of doing mean little to me, much as I love sacrilegious women. I am now sick of the equality movement in as far as it is based on gender. We need more equality, but the gender debate is now more often about special pleading, from new men trying to get inside knickers to posh white tarts breaking the glass ceiling and turning out to be just as corrupt as the posh white crooks already up there.What i'd like to see us work out is how we can put together a society that doesn't disable people. "Success" disables other people. Does it matter if your crap boss is male or female, or that the CEO of Apple is gay? Not if you've just seen your kid killed in an Apple supply chain mud slide, it don't. I want to see more sacrilegious women kicking over the traces of newsroom bimbos (the female on is the one looking dreamily at the male one, as I understand the ethography), not the sisterhood of posh.
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TMNT was a b&w comic first Neil. Good art and excellent absurdist humor. As with a great deal of technology the 3-D printers will be eliminating jobs. That's life. That's ok though because soon enough we'll all be payed to vote. It will be just enough to keep us fed, clothed and housed with anything we get done on the black market or working for the government(whatever the New World Order calls government) as gravy and "extra." Us Westerners will necessarily need to drastically lower or standards of living to accommodate those less fortunate. Of course, those of us with political or family connections(same thing) will get "perks" and favors to help compensate for the loss of freedom to the masses. Ah, ain't Communism grand?
-- But I digress...
dj
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
We'll make progress once these 3-d printers start falling off the backs of lorries and into our price range. I have the mutant turtle potion - all that was putting me off was the sewer living. One we have our Zepallan the world can be saved.
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 5:14:17 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:(",) lol
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingStrange how so many gas bags can't stick an airship together.--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 12:00:54 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Airship is still in the dream stage of construction my pocket change keeps coming up short..
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Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingSounds like we could all use a drink. Together would be nice. When does the airship launch, Allan?--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 3:00:45 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a good Scots hard cider. Then distilled into a fine whiskey which could be sold in Florida with squeezed mash going to make feed pellets for Australian Snooks. Then we can take half whiskey to put through the filtration process to remove any remaining particles leaving the golden remains of Golden Kickapoo juice. Splitting that in half we do a low temperature distill to bring down the alcohol less than 0.0% with the alcohol dripping back into the Kickapoo leave a sweet golden ambrosia fit for Neil and other discerning guest that enjoy a fine alcohol free beverage with a fine smoky taste.
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingMetal powder fusion-casting was around in the 70's in the making of diamond drills and saw blades, On the cyborg matter, I have no problem with the idea of growing a false steel beard like Chris and enjoying beer only through the addition of pleasure routines.--
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 3:06:58 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote:I'm not letting my vodka (brewed by Bulgarians next door) anywhere near a water filter. In fact, I don't let my water near a water filter. All sounds like filtering a craft beer to get Budwesier to me.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:47:04 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:don't count on it.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:26:41 PM UTC-4, Chris Jenkins wrote:Fun fact: repeatedly pouring bottom shelf vodka through a Britta filter pitcher will turn it into top shelf vodka.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:All good distilled liquor is aged.. vodka being a good distilled drink need some aging even vodka.. with 5 minutes minimum aging. We can legally call it aged....
Additives.. could be interesting. But i do not think cod liver oil and good aged vodka would cut it..
Good aged Irish moonshine..
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingI could go with the Auntie Molly brand. But it could sound too wimpy. and pochin can taste good warm from the still - so what's this 5 minute thingy? How do we get macho into something that doesn't kill you like nicotine and alcohol.--Pissed all day, living forever in perfect health?Try some illness additive with your Molly's.
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 4:30:07 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:Does your liver quiver.
Buy "Molly's Special Irish Liver Health Vodka" aged a minimum of 5 minutes before bottling.
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingLiver Health Whiskey - we might have to do some creative work on the branding!--
On Monday, 30 March 2015 16:15:09 UTC+1, Allan Heretic werote:Gotta vatch dem aliens an der tonic liver health stuff.
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingThat's enough from the coffee waiter! My aliens make a whiskey health tonic, sadly not available to Earth livers.--I have problems with the geometry of how these printers work, including their equivalents in biological manufacturing. How did that lizard growth a new leg?
On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 12:17:15 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:From what I understand the Russian Government is claiming vodka is a water replacement that numbs the economic woes..
I'll pass thank you anyway.
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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Additive ManufacturingNot sure what really big means, but the biggest I've seen is probably at the Society of Manufacturing Engineers expo, about 6'x12'x12', the portable model used for shows. I'm sure the auto plants in the are have some in use already as the supplier companies attend at least a dozen various shows throughout the year, including the North American International Auto Show that puts almost a million people through the center in two weeks.--Vodka's not a health food?
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 11:21:46 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Nah! I'd rather take a flight to Schipol and cadge some strong espresso from Allan. Have you seen any of the really big 3-D printers? Some of them are printing with plasma metals.And there's no need for you to start casting aspersions just because someone else isn't!
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 11:31:50 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:Drinking tonight? don't do anything we will regret.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:Chris and I should already be marketing the 'stop at 9 inches' software for the hardware.
On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:27:11 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:There have been several events through the center this year focusing additive manufacturing, or 3D printing, that has become so exact that auto parts can be manufactured successfully with the technology: http://www.manufacturingglobal.com/technology/408/INDUSTRY-A The medical industry has even started making body parts: http://markets.financialconteNALYSIS:-The-pros-and-cons-of- 3d-printing nt.com/stocks/news/read?GUID= 29487729 Not sure I would sign up for that, but what do you think? Game changer?
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