Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

Whatever we do has a consequence or effect. We face some of the consequences of our actions in this life and leave it to posterity to grapple with the consequences of our actions, for example global warming.

On Tue 30 Jul, 2019, 3:13 AM Don Johnson, <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:
I prefer the idea of oblivion. I don't need to worry about coming back to this ball of suffering and pain. And I know I've had it easy. Karma would have me coming back as a slug or something. No thank you.


On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

In fact there is no death, only transformation. When an individual dies the body disintegrates and amalgamates with the five element and the self-sense, the soul, becomes one with Pure Consciousness.
For those who believe in rebirth the soul comes back from pure consciousness again and again, taking birth after birth until it's karma is burnt and then achieves Moksha or permanent union with the One.
Ultimately, the One alone is the Truth, all else is maya.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:52 PM Rajendra Pal Singh, <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one and no other, not even the self-sense.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

I prefer the idea of oblivion. I don't need to worry about coming back to this ball of suffering and pain. And I know I've had it easy. Karma would have me coming back as a slug or something. No thank you.


On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

In fact there is no death, only transformation. When an individual dies the body disintegrates and amalgamates with the five element and the self-sense, the soul, becomes one with Pure Consciousness.
For those who believe in rebirth the soul comes back from pure consciousness again and again, taking birth after birth until it's karma is burnt and then achieves Moksha or permanent union with the One.
Ultimately, the One alone is the Truth, all else is maya.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:52 PM Rajendra Pal Singh, <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one and no other, not even the self-sense.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

I am not able to access Twitter. just not interested in the app.. 
a minor suggestion why not cut  and paste the part you want to share.
PS. I hate spy apps..I already have to many.

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

I can only explain  ideas as I see them. 
all my  greatest ideas I find are all ready been developed by  someone else.. even my take.
so what is your take on how people should live.

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 6:16 AM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

Those interested can read this stuff and get a hang of it before forming your opinion...
https://www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html#.XTJ69RYSNvY.twitter

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Re: Mind's Eye She's Been There Before, Reappointed Now

agreed but I have no idea as how to access or Purge the  list .



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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 6:57 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
We now have a new moderator to our Group, Molly. I just felt we need to have more brains to storm through for one goal : rejuvenating the Group to some level of interest, activity and life.

A good start will be to pore over the members list and take stock of their current categorisation. It makes no sense for someone who has been under moderation since joining, say, years ago to continue being on the list. I believe, they could be given an opportunity to reconfirm their group membership, failing which they could be removed.

There are others who have just gone silent. They too need to be poked into life if they'd comeback to our mails addressed to them.

Lastly, we need efforts to bring in more new members...but how, I have little idea.

Welcome Molly.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

okay, agreed my beliefs are based off ancient beliefs, as are most briefs.
Rather than blame others for their ancient solutions.. 
just what is the path you recommend people and governments follow?

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 6:23 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I find both Allan and you are building your premises on ancient world order, when locals either did not have a way out their collective misery or could not ask for and expect help from others.

Molly especially seems to conceive of countries as being tiny enough to be of forest size.

Both these premises are incorrect if not false. The UN itself must be faulted for being fat organisation that is little more an international employment charity. It wastes itself, without achieving anything much of real value, proactive solutions to recurring almost predictable problems.

Globally, govts must build capacities to take care of its citizens, ward off threats and prepare for disasters. The developed world will heed such a charter of development program, that are both defined and targeted, than all the left-liberal pile of people's rights and entitlements. That latter should be for national govts to address, depending upon financial surpluses they manage out of yearly accounts.

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

In fact there is no death, only transformation. When an individual dies the body disintegrates and amalgamates with the five element and the self-sense, the soul, becomes one with Pure Consciousness.
For those who believe in rebirth the soul comes back from pure consciousness again and again, taking birth after birth until it's karma is burnt and then achieves Moksha or permanent union with the One.
Ultimately, the One alone is the Truth, all else is maya.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:52 PM Rajendra Pal Singh, <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one and no other, not even the self-sense.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one and no other, not even the self-sense.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Mind's Eye She's Been There Before, Reappointed Now

We now have a new moderator to our Group, Molly. I just felt we need to have more brains to storm through for one goal : rejuvenating the Group to some level of interest, activity and life.

A good start will be to pore over the members list and take stock of their current categorisation. It makes no sense for someone who has been under moderation since joining, say, years ago to continue being on the list. I believe, they could be given an opportunity to reconfirm their group membership, failing which they could be removed.

There are others who have just gone silent. They too need to be poked into life if they'd comeback to our mails addressed to them.

Lastly, we need efforts to bring in more new members...but how, I have little idea.

Welcome Molly.

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Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

I find both Allan and you are building your premises on ancient world order, when locals either did not have a way out their collective misery or could not ask for and expect help from others.

Molly especially seems to conceive of countries as being tiny enough to be of forest size.

Both these premises are incorrect if not false. The UN itself must be faulted for being fat organisation that is little more an international employment charity. It wastes itself, without achieving anything much of real value, proactive solutions to recurring almost predictable problems.

Globally, govts must build capacities to take care of its citizens, ward off threats and prepare for disasters. The developed world will heed such a charter of development program, that are both defined and targeted, than all the left-liberal pile of people's rights and entitlements. That latter should be for national govts to address, depending upon financial surpluses they manage out of yearly accounts.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: pray without ceasing

I forgot to mention that to me that it seems many forms of prayer are based off reputation..  what is more repetitive than breathing, and you have some what but minor control of.
just thinking 
allan h

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 5:44 PM Allan H, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
now I agree with you Molly, now what happens in those moments of Stark raving terror, where your focus is every where except prayer.. total interruption of focus.
My vision of God has evolved over the decades. God is not seperated from (no gender intended) his creation, rather his creations make up only part part of his being. Including all realities and non realities. (personally I think belief systems tend to limit the concept of God)
back to YHWH,, as a person inhale  the body creates first part of God's name 'YH' and on exhaling the body emits the 'WH' completing the actions of calling on God to bear witness to my life.

Ho Lee Chit ... I am in deep ,,, did I mention that love exploring concepts of spirituality no matter where it leads.



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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 3:08 PM Molly Brogan, <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems to me a quiet mind and open heart is the perfect constant prayer

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:43:19 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I am aware this is a very church  directed. But it is a spiritual concept I am interested in and would like to hear other opinions other than my own..
I wrote this in the middle of a sleepless night..  I write down what is rambling in my mind, this is the result.
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Praying with out stopping. I don't recall where I first heard that and as usual I said that stupid and impossible.
I remember my dad saying rosary after rosary. He was happy and  absorbed in his prayers. At least my Father was trying to pray without ceasing..His prayers brought joy to my heart.
Some time earlier I had learned that if you spoke a person's name especially in prayer in the Hebrew tradition was to demand their presence (at this point someone is telling I am full of shit and they could be right). But accepting the possibility that I am right that creates an interesting situation.
Small wonder the Hebrew name for God "YHWH" is written without vowels so that it cannot be spoken. I can understand why who wants God to bear witness to our planning to sell weapons of war so we can profit of the murdering of our neighbors. Or stealing from the poor through tricky and questionable legal arrangements changing God's  laws to justify their actions..
I can hear people saying I am an atheist and don't believe in god.. That's okay I know many atheist who are extremely good people.. .
Realitively recently some one told me that the sound we make as we inhale is yh (no vowel) it is just the sound and as I exhale the rushing air creates the sound of wh
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If that's true it will be creating great problems at the moment of transition of the soul. The realisation of accountability of the Soul will come as quite a shock to some spiritual impoverished Souls.
allan h

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: pray without ceasing

now I agree with you Molly, now what happens in those moments of Stark raving terror, where your focus is every where except prayer.. total interruption of focus.
My vision of God has evolved over the decades. God is not seperated from (no gender intended) his creation, rather his creations make up only part part of his being. Including all realities and non realities. (personally I think belief systems tend to limit the concept of God)
back to YHWH,, as a person inhale  the body creates first part of God's name 'YH' and on exhaling the body emits the 'WH' completing the actions of calling on God to bear witness to my life.

Ho Lee Chit ... I am in deep ,,, did I mention that love exploring concepts of spirituality no matter where it leads.



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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 3:08 PM Molly Brogan, <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems to me a quiet mind and open heart is the perfect constant prayer

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:43:19 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I am aware this is a very church  directed. But it is a spiritual concept I am interested in and would like to hear other opinions other than my own..
I wrote this in the middle of a sleepless night..  I write down what is rambling in my mind, this is the result.
~~~~
Praying with out stopping. I don't recall where I first heard that and as usual I said that stupid and impossible.
I remember my dad saying rosary after rosary. He was happy and  absorbed in his prayers. At least my Father was trying to pray without ceasing..His prayers brought joy to my heart.
Some time earlier I had learned that if you spoke a person's name especially in prayer in the Hebrew tradition was to demand their presence (at this point someone is telling I am full of shit and they could be right). But accepting the possibility that I am right that creates an interesting situation.
Small wonder the Hebrew name for God "YHWH" is written without vowels so that it cannot be spoken. I can understand why who wants God to bear witness to our planning to sell weapons of war so we can profit of the murdering of our neighbors. Or stealing from the poor through tricky and questionable legal arrangements changing God's  laws to justify their actions..
I can hear people saying I am an atheist and don't believe in god.. That's okay I know many atheist who are extremely good people.. .
Realitively recently some one told me that the sound we make as we inhale is yh (no vowel) it is just the sound and as I exhale the rushing air creates the sound of wh
~~~~
If that's true it will be creating great problems at the moment of transition of the soul. The realisation of accountability of the Soul will come as quite a shock to some spiritual impoverished Souls.
allan h

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It seems to me a quiet mind and open heart is the perfect constant prayer

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:43:19 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
I am aware this is a very church  directed. But it is a spiritual concept I am interested in and would like to hear other opinions other than my own..
I wrote this in the middle of a sleepless night..  I write down what is rambling in my mind, this is the result.
~~~~
Praying with out stopping. I don't recall where I first heard that and as usual I said that stupid and impossible.
I remember my dad saying rosary after rosary. He was happy and  absorbed in his prayers. At least my Father was trying to pray without ceasing..His prayers brought joy to my heart.
Some time earlier I had learned that if you spoke a person's name especially in prayer in the Hebrew tradition was to demand their presence (at this point someone is telling I am full of shit and they could be right). But accepting the possibility that I am right that creates an interesting situation.
Small wonder the Hebrew name for God "YHWH" is written without vowels so that it cannot be spoken. I can understand why who wants God to bear witness to our planning to sell weapons of war so we can profit of the murdering of our neighbors. Or stealing from the poor through tricky and questionable legal arrangements changing God's  laws to justify their actions..
I can hear people saying I am an atheist and don't believe in god.. That's okay I know many atheist who are extremely good people.. .
Realitively recently some one told me that the sound we make as we inhale is yh (no vowel) it is just the sound and as I exhale the rushing air creates the sound of wh
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If that's true it will be creating great problems at the moment of transition of the soul. The realisation of accountability of the Soul will come as quite a shock to some spiritual impoverished Souls.
allan h

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Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

I have to agree with Allan on this Vam. How do you stop the creatures in the forest from leaving when it is on fire? Survival is an overriding function like breathing, not fulfilled by right. It takes enormous dysfunction to override the physical and mental systems survival depends upon. Add the protective instincts of parents to children, and the drive to survive intensifies. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

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I am aware this is a very church  directed. But it is a spiritual concept I am interested in and would like to hear other opinions other than my own..
I wrote this in the middle of a sleepless night..  I write down what is rambling in my mind, this is the result.
~~~~
Praying with out stopping. I don't recall where I first heard that and as usual I said that stupid and impossible.
I remember my dad saying rosary after rosary. He was happy and  absorbed in his prayers. At least my Father was trying to pray without ceasing..His prayers brought joy to my heart.
Some time earlier I had learned that if you spoke a person's name especially in prayer in the Hebrew tradition was to demand their presence (at this point someone is telling I am full of shit and they could be right). But accepting the possibility that I am right that creates an interesting situation.
Small wonder the Hebrew name for God "YHWH" is written without vowels so that it cannot be spoken. I can understand why who wants God to bear witness to our planning to sell weapons of war so we can profit of the murdering of our neighbors. Or stealing from the poor through tricky and questionable legal arrangements changing God's  laws to justify their actions..
I can hear people saying I am an atheist and don't believe in god.. That's okay I know many atheist who are extremely good people.. .
Realitively recently some one told me that the sound we make as we inhale is yh (no vowel) it is just the sound and as I exhale the rushing air creates the sound of wh
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If that's true it will be creating great problems at the moment of transition of the soul. The realisation of accountability of the Soul will come as quite a shock to some spiritual impoverished Souls.
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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

I read the article and  there was nothing that I had not read or heard before. what I did read was a person trying to sound original by using the latest modern buzz word..  and totally lacking in originality.
the American aboriginals have same beliefs which  date back thousands of years. the other problem I have is learned that eons ago and believe If I am aware of the concept so are many others.
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 6:16 AM Vam, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

Those interested can read this stuff and get a hang of it before forming your opinion...
https://www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html#.XTJ69RYSNvY.twitter

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large scale migration will always be in nature.. including humanity..  conditions become adverse migration begins..  the so call conservative or status quo are creating many of the problems. status quo by meaning is saying leave the situation as is without change.
civilization by it very nature require change especially if you do not want mas migration..  one needs to remove the causes of mass migration  but to do that enquired one to be liberal and care and help your fellow man..




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On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 4:08 AM ashok tewari, <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
It is morning while I read this. It reveals the happy heart of being. There is love and thanks, mellowness and quiet exultation. It is full.

Far from complaints, as the body weakens and more frequently fails on occasions, I am grateful to it in ways I had not done before, when it was taken for granted. I brighten even when it darkens.

I do see these times while the world is correcting itself of all the emptiness it has acquired through left-liberal thoughts and ideas, words and feigned seriousness. All the climate change brouhaha is largely a part of that. Sustainability studies are far more real, in comparison. Population control, land use, species reserves, upright governance, economic tranparence, equality of opportunity...I wonder if the chiefs are applied on these massive people-life-centric issues.

Now, let me voice something controversial : large scale migration should never be a part of universal human rights. I hope people have tons of strong views, for and against, on this opinion of mine.

On Saturday, July 20, 2019, Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
I will follow your lead, Vam, to the realm of what is interesting. Sounds like you have the time, tools and talent to blaze the trail. Sorry to read about everyone's health problems, later years bringing the inevitable means to slow us down. I've been feeling it too in my own way, but I've always preferred the slower pace. My ideal summer Sunday is a seat in the garden to do nothing. This summer, I am given those days more than before, not of choice, but necessity. Two sprained knees from a silly fall did not stop me, but did slow me down considerably. I'm not complaining, as that circumstance actually brought me here, having more time to peruse my computer. Always happy to read your ideas on any page, especially when our views differ. Then I am stimulated to dive deeper into the idea and explore more dimensions of it. You've always had that wonderful way about you.

I too hope more members will check in out of curiosity and engage. And happy that Google never actually pulled the plug on this platform as planned. The possibilities remain. And the dialogue leads us, to where? Let's find out!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

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If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

It is morning while I read this. It reveals the happy heart of being. There is love and thanks, mellowness and quiet exultation. It is full.

Far from complaints, as the body weakens and more frequently fails on occasions, I am grateful to it in ways I had not done before, when it was taken for granted. I brighten even when it darkens.

I do see these times while the world is correcting itself of all the emptiness it has acquired through left-liberal thoughts and ideas, words and feigned seriousness. All the climate change brouhaha is largely a part of that. Sustainability studies are far more real, in comparison. Population control, land use, species reserves, upright governance, economic tranparence, equality of opportunity...I wonder if the chiefs are applied on these massive people-life-centric issues.

Now, let me voice something controversial : large scale migration should never be a part of universal human rights. I hope people have tons of strong views, for and against, on this opinion of mine.

On Saturday, July 20, 2019, Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
I will follow your lead, Vam, to the realm of what is interesting. Sounds like you have the time, tools and talent to blaze the trail. Sorry to read about everyone's health problems, later years bringing the inevitable means to slow us down. I've been feeling it too in my own way, but I've always preferred the slower pace. My ideal summer Sunday is a seat in the garden to do nothing. This summer, I am given those days more than before, not of choice, but necessity. Two sprained knees from a silly fall did not stop me, but did slow me down considerably. I'm not complaining, as that circumstance actually brought me here, having more time to peruse my computer. Always happy to read your ideas on any page, especially when our views differ. Then I am stimulated to dive deeper into the idea and explore more dimensions of it. You've always had that wonderful way about you.

I too hope more members will check in out of curiosity and engage. And happy that Google never actually pulled the plug on this platform as planned. The possibilities remain. And the dialogue leads us, to where? Let's find out!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: I would like to join the conversation

Many thanks.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 11:44 AM archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
you seem to have 2 accounts - one as manager the other (moderated) as member - anyway set both to post - hope this sorts it - in a rush here


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Hi Molly - I did leave Vam and Allan with management chores - not here much.  There was a big software change in May.

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Mind's Eye Re: I would like to join the conversation

you seem to have 2 accounts - one as manager the other (moderated) as member - anyway set both to post - hope this sorts it - in a rush here


On Saturday, 20 July 2019 16:34:40 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
Hi Molly - I did leave Vam and Allan with management chores - not here much.  There was a big software change in May.

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Mind's Eye Re: I would like to join the conversation

Hi Molly - I did leave Vam and Allan with management chores - not here much.  There was a big software change in May.

On Friday, 19 July 2019 10:31:11 UTC+1, Molly Brogan wrote:
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Re: Mind's Eye I would like to join the conversation

Whoops! I spoke too soon. My posts are still delayed because they await approval. I know it is a setting in my membership. I emailed Neil, but he seems to have dropped out for now.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:17 AM Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
It all seems to be working now Alan, my topics and comments are showing. Thanks for including me.!

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I hope this is working to make you a member..  set it up on the gmail app  maybe that is what has been the problem. 

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Then, The Cl8mate Fear Mongering...

The United Nations 17 Sustainable Development Goals have a target date of 2030. They are lofty, and I am in awe of their effort to get numerous interests on the planet all moving in the same sustainable direction. It would be a first.

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 12:13:26 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
wow. 2032 is the same is the same date I keep hearing.  What I understand if we do
not have the emissions under control then it becomes the date of no return.
Extinction will be the end result. Not 2050 as some people are claiming. I dislike prophecy. This one is based off research. Cause and effect thing.. Prophecy according to the ¿Free Mason's? the US will ceases to exist in 2022.  With the moral leadership guiding the US  I am left wondering it is true.. some how it seems to be a valid possiblity.
back to the pollution problem..Ryan is listed in the top 10 polluter in Europe. which is the first time coal fired power have been surpassed. World Wide the US military is listed as the worst polluter. No surprise to me.. to start getting the carbon emmisions we need end 😍 all war. (fat chance) end at least 90% of them and petrol car travel..

Those three thing have less of a chance of happening than a snow ball surviving thrown into an active volcano. It seems people love money and convenience to much.
I'm rambling to much
Allan


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On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-5, Vam wrote:
> To Dem-Left-Lib folks who say the Earth "only has 12 years"... Dr Walter Williams reminds us that just 3 volcanic eruptions : Indonesia 1883, Alaska 1912 & Iceland 1947 released more carbon & sulphur dioxide than all human activity in history. We're still here 🤔
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> https://www.dailywire.com/news/44450/williams-our-planet-not-fragile-walter-e-williams

I would love to hear your take on climate change Neil. I can't seem to muster much more than ambivalence.  I was asked to rally hundreds of people to divert waste from the convention center waste stream (tons annually) and it is thrilling to see the diversion rate increase knowing the hard work everyone puts in. But I don't understand carbon off-set purchase as any more than a rip off so I can't really understand the whole picture yet. I don't see us slowing down on gas fueled engine use, especially in the air so how much of an impact can the small efforts have?

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Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

I will follow your lead, Vam, to the realm of what is interesting. Sounds like you have the time, tools and talent to blaze the trail. Sorry to read about everyone's health problems, later years bringing the inevitable means to slow us down. I've been feeling it too in my own way, but I've always preferred the slower pace. My ideal summer Sunday is a seat in the garden to do nothing. This summer, I am given those days more than before, not of choice, but necessity. Two sprained knees from a silly fall did not stop me, but did slow me down considerably. I'm not complaining, as that circumstance actually brought me here, having more time to peruse my computer. Always happy to read your ideas on any page, especially when our views differ. Then I am stimulated to dive deeper into the idea and explore more dimensions of it. You've always had that wonderful way about you.

I too hope more members will check in out of curiosity and engage. And happy that Google never actually pulled the plug on this platform as planned. The possibilities remain. And the dialogue leads us, to where? Let's find out!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

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Re: Mind's Eye I would like to join the conversation

It all seems to be working now Alan, my topics and comments are showing. Thanks for including me.!

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I hope this is working to make you a member..  set it up on the gmail app  maybe that is what has been the problem. 

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I hope this is working to make you a member..  set it up on the gmail app  maybe that is what has been the problem. 

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

actually I have missed it terribly.


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I for one am glad to see this group together again in any form. I've often looked back and marveled at the depth and breath of what we've dialogued here over the decades. the group itself spread across the globe, meeting here in spirit to exchange ideas and views. Doubts, I have too many. Opinions, I have fewer as time goes on. Not for lack of caring, I think, but for identifying less with the events of the world. A world so rich in beauty, even if buried in misery. Who I am grows increasingly out of focus. The feeling of life, stronger than ever.

I feel much happiness seeing your words again, strung together as only you can. Something happens when we meet here and exchange, unseen but deeply felt. How interesting that I've never met any of you in person, but love you all.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Then, The Cl8mate Fear Mongering...

wow. 2032 is the same is the same date I keep hearing.  What I understand if we do
not have the emissions under control then it becomes the date of no return.
Extinction will be the end result. Not 2050 as some people are claiming. I dislike prophecy. This one is based off research. Cause and effect thing.. Prophecy according to the ¿Free Mason's? the US will ceases to exist in 2022.  With the moral leadership guiding the US  I am left wondering it is true.. some how it seems to be a valid possiblity.
back to the pollution problem..Ryan is listed in the top 10 polluter in Europe. which is the first time coal fired power have been surpassed. World Wide the US military is listed as the worst polluter. No surprise to me.. to start getting the carbon emmisions we need end �� all war. (fat chance) end at least 90% of them and petrol car travel..

Those three thing have less of a chance of happening than a snow ball surviving thrown into an active volcano. It seems people love money and convenience to much.
I'm rambling to much
Allan


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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Then, The Cl8mate Fear Mongering...

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-5, Vam wrote:
> To Dem-Left-Lib folks who say the Earth “only has 12 years”... Dr Walter Williams reminds us that just 3 volcanic eruptions : Indonesia 1883, Alaska 1912 & Iceland 1947 released more carbon & sulphur dioxide than all human activity in history. We’re still here ��
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> https://www.dailywire.com/news/44450/williams-our-planet-not-fragile-walter-e-williams

I would love to hear your take on climate change Neil. I can't seem to muster much more than ambivalence.  I was asked to rally hundreds of people to divert waste from the convention center waste stream (tons annually) and it is thrilling to see the diversion rate increase knowing the hard work everyone puts in. But I don't understand carbon off-set purchase as any more than a rip off so I can't really understand the whole picture yet. I don't see us slowing down on gas fueled engine use, especially in the air so how much of an impact can the small efforts have?

Good to be back.

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Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

How interesting...

How lovely...

I hope the 3000+ members of Minds Eye are listening. I wish they feel touched, as in a gentle poke on their shoulders.

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Re: Mind's Eye My comments need approval before showing - I may not be alone in this

Since you are one of the moderators, Allan, maybe you need to get in touch with someone who knows what to do about it.

I myself have no idea whatsoever...

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Mind's Eye Re: Do People No Longer Opine Or Doubt ?

I hear your Ashok, and am happy to see you hear, and your opining and wondering.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
It is almost 3 months without anything refreshing in this Group, which prompted the heading for this post.

Surprisingly, though I am mostly turned away from this vast relativistic domain in which opinions and doubts proliferate, I enjoy coming across views and queries that set a group agog or certain knowledge that can inspire a great discussion about it.

Maybe, members of the Group are overtaken by life, in ways that has left them intellectually dead.

Or, perhaps, they are too lazy to express something interesting. Or, too disabled... I hope not though.

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Re: Mind's Eye My comments need approval before showing - I may not be alone in this

when I send a reply to allow people to be part of the mind eye group.. 
I have no idea of what is going on.

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Re: Mind's Eye My comments need approval before showing - I may not be alone in this

To be more precise, my comments on topics are not posted and I get a message telling me the comment is "waiting for approval." This reply through my gmail is a test to see if it will be posted.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 4:03 AM Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com> wrote:
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