On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-5 Allan Heretic wrote:
From ehat I am seeing is a neutral buffer zone .. and to protect the russian heritage people livng in Ukraine.. there are to different Russian cultures.. that is the reason for recognizing the two separate nations.
Occupying a country is a pin in the rear.. look at Afghanistan.. both Russia an the US have been there with the same result.
Hat they want is the buffer zone separating Russia and NATO. With the US past history I don't blame themInteresting. If there are no democracies, are there communist regimes? Are we talking about political systems in their purest form? I would argue that Ukraine considers itself a democracy and a country separate from Russia. If Russia stops fighting, the war is over. If Ukraine stops fighting, Russia will occupy and Ukraine as Ukrainians know it is over. Ukraine needs to hold on to its sovereignty as a nation and protect its people. What does Russia need? To expand its domain?
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Ukraine invasion--On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:16:54 AM UTC-5 Allan Heretic wrote:It is not a democracy. It is simply an eastern European country.. the US is not a democracy either it is the republic of the united states of America like it or not the US has become fascist republic.. the Netherlands v is not s democracy either.. when I vote I get to pick a party and chose member from a long list.. we really have no say the parties have all the say.
Don't Murder; Rape or Enslave Others-----Original Message-----Don't see anything in this that recognizes Ukraine as a self governing democracy.
From: Molly Brogan <molly...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 0:45
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Ukraine invasion--On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:18:02 PM UTC-5 Allan Heretic wrote:My biggest concern is Chernobyl... That is the first thing the Russian did was check in it's safety.. Now it is under the control óf a joint Ukrainian and Russian task force who sold purpose is maintain its safety and up keep.. language is not a problem and they Areca close joint team.. that is the biggest problem.. looking good on that front.. I personally think that there will be highly advanced anti-aircraft weapons to prevent it from being attacked and bombed.. that will not do anyone any good.
Russia wants the Ukraine to be a neutral nation. With no NATO or US military bases on the Ukraine national territory.. that is not unreasonable.... Look ho freaked out the US became when Russia wanted to put a missiles on Cuba.. that is the same situation in Ukraine.. Face it the US does not have a reputation for being peaceful. I put a couple of propaganda. Articles on my Facebook page to look at the EU is afraid if their propaganda..
To me that is stupid.. I been reading RT for years now..I have learned a great deal about their military weapons.. I learned about COVID-19 long before it was in the European news papers.. they have a new early warning airplane. The US has been using them for years ..they are the one with the big disk on top.. Russia tends to develop defensive weapons.. this early warning airplane they say can detect stealth aircraft.. and that is logical.
There fighter jets are every bit as good us the Fancy over priced US jets..
Then you factor China in.. truth is I know very like about their weapons..😱 I read the propaganda sheets (any news source in realty is a propaganda. Sheet) because I prefer knowing when where and how to duck.
Now there is one Russian sub I know nothing about and I heard about a British sighting of it and the code name is "Black Hole" the get literally a glimpse of it and then it disappears...
China like said I have no idea about their weapons I heard they developed a long range drone that looks like a B2 bomber 😱. They were cut off from Android and the US tried to cripple their electronic industry.. now they have a new mobile OS that runs most of the Android application (s). They were banned from the international space station so they built their own .. now with all the bullshit Russia are getting together for space exploration..
The stupidest thing the US and NATO has done is start poking the Russian Bear and the Chinese Dragon.
AllanI'm interested to see how this will play out in the UN. Current reports show Europe supporting Ukraine, China and India abstaining... support and relief for the people of the country quickly being organized, including the refugees to neighboring Poland and Romania. Today the fighting reveals more than the simple support of Russian people in certain areas of Ukraine. All border areas between the two countries are occupied by Russian troupes moving into strategic areas of the country in just a few days. Like looking at the board game RISK, a strategic movement of troupes for the take over of a country. Can the old arguments work? If a country is fighting to maintain is sovereignty from an invading country, can we take it at its word?
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From: Molly Brogan <molly...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 17:14
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Ukraine invasion--On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:35:23 PM UTC-5 Allan Heretic wrote:My heart goes out to the innocent people on all sides. War should never at anytime be for profit.. unfortunately the military industrial complex(s) seem to be of a different view point. The Militaries of the are the largest single polluters in the world; leading the pack is the US military having lapped the combined military of the rest of the w for many genorld. Congratulations the US military is #1 in the pollution race.. considering that the tipping balance point is 2028.. that is a major problem for humanity..
USA is being outflanked by China. I was raised in a very boastful nation. Plus I am ashamed of myself for not seeing it before.. (to many hidden agendas and dark government.. Thanks to d *rump he accidentally exposed the fascist underbelly of the hidden dark government..
Now getting on to the topic of Ukraine. Years age at the break up of the USSR NATO agreed there would. Be no expansion eastward.. typical politicians they are a pack of liars and backsliders on keeping the promises and keeping their word.. NATO was formed for the defense of Europe.. what war they doing in the US wars in the middle east. The middle east is not part of Europe. It has been the United States of America that has been beating hard the propaganda WAR drums very hard...
Has the American public hem informed of the billions of $ dollars $ given to Ukraine over the last 2 years not counting what was provided earlier.. Have the propaganda machine of the US told you about the Ukraine with advanced weapons provided by the US military were shelling the ethnic Russians that have been living their for generations.. they are similar to the Kurds in Iraq and Turkey an unwanted sect of people..
This shelling of the Russian heritage people that actually promoted the Russian invasion.. this shelling was encouraged by the US and NATO. Both have a reputation for wanting War.. Now they have brought economic hardship to Europe.. Unfortunately that hardship is also extending to the US..
War - Now the truth Is I know very little about Chinese military other than the Art o war is mandatory reading.. They were banned by the US on the international space station.. So they built their own. They are exploring the hidden side if the moon and bare planning to put a base there.. oh year the foodThe political climate in the US is such a hotbed of division it is not easy to filter through the media for facts on what is happening. I know that European sentiment toward Americans is negative at best, and I understand why.
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From: Molly Brogan <molly...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 19:52
Subject: Mind's Eye Ukraine invasionMy heart is with the people of the Ukraine. I know the trauma of war, and what entire families suffer, my parents having served in WWII and the legacy of physical and emotional traumas we all suffered as a result.No one deserves it, and I feel like we should be past this as a human race. This is a great place for the exchange of political views, none better. I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this turning point for Europe and the globe.--
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