Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness

Welcome to the Group Sue.. babies only respond to their enviorment. Saddly it is the environment parents create for the children live in create the problems. But what do you expect when you park them infront of violent television programs  or provide electronic war games. What can you expect for their responses to life.
You will find that i believes soul controls the body.. it is outside imput that develops the souls personality and skills. A seven day old only knows the knowledge they are born with.


تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: Sue Linda <mehlisue@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 7:27 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness

in your considered thoughts, the state of life would be more like a child like mind who knows nothing of death, nor of life but enjoys each moment that arrives.  It is only by the events of evil works brought on a child does it lean the effects of danger.  Consider children as our teachers.  Before they learn of "evil" that being events that cause harm, the child only lives in the moment and acts of "evil" on another child is rare.

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:

Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly there is satisfaction and assurance of well-being.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Consciousness

Not to expect the good and not to fear the worst is a good attitude but I don't think it is possible , the human mind is not mature enough to follow this advice which is enshrined as an important attitude in the Bhagvadagita. If we have a positive attitude we hope for the best and if we have a negative attitude we fear the worst , to be stuck in the middle is hard for us for we can lean to the left or lean to the right , I speak from experience as I have tried and failed. Maybe you will be lucky but I doubt it. My best wishes , Sue.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Sue Linda <mehlisue@gmail.com> wrote:

consider  consciousness.  The endless pursuit of humanity all threw history.  To find such, is a inner exploring of who resides inside the body you call self.  There is no standard to  consciousness for the life of each has experienced very different events in life that taught them to perceive their own reality and truth by such.  It would seem to reason than that to actually find truth in  consciousness is to realize that in this school of life on this planet, is designed to teach each by experience.  Than in a twist of learning this of self and that others are also no different than you other than the experience, I would think that the only thing left to say is have compassion on all, for we do not create our own life until we realize that this is true.  I would also state, that once you come to a place of compassion for All humans, than the release of seeing differences is dissolved.  Life then can begin for the first time as the self then would choose to live each day without remembrance to the past experience.  Without past recall, then future projections are absent for there is nothing that can be judged by past experience.   Consciousness then would be a daily revealing met with a world of no expectation of evil or of good.  Like a child who just lives in the moment.  

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 7:05:54 PM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:

Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly there is satisfaction and assurance of well-being.

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Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

Animals have a great abillity to escape.  I tend to keep Joey away from children as they do not have full control ofor know their muscle strenght.. joey's recommends keeping kids away ..she is cute and cuddlt at same time can be hurt very easily.. her bones though strong are not very big.


تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

I see kids being very cruel to animals and themselves as well RP.   I agree on the demons and believe them real in some ways - clearly in effect.  And the insanity.

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 11:54:36 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

Mostly we don't even think of awareness , it is just taken for granted. Little children don't know the term but interact with others and know automatically what is conscious and what is not. They can easily break their toys but not their pups , they are ever so affectionate with the living and cruel with the inanimate. If we continue to think of ourselves as spirits the confusion will remain , we must think of ourselves as organisms and the First Cause as the Spirit. So we are all mortals and it is only the Spirit which is immortal , then and then only can we have a semblance of sanity. It does not take much to go beyond sanity , the breaking point is very near. In many instances I can be called insane when I talk of ridding ourselves of the demons and think about solutions as if the governments of the world even know that I exist.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:46 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

With the atoms or whatever particles we admit to, it's not so much whether they have awareness but that what we are aware of is less than what is going on.  What then of human interactions!

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 10:38:03 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

I don't know , Allan , what is aware and what is not. I can know only that I am aware and for the rest I can infer that they are so. Maybe even atoms are aware.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Why does a state of awareness have to be restricted to organìc matter RP?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

I don't understand all this talk of consciousness as if it were an entity , to me consciousness is simply a state i.e. awareness , and what is aware is the organism. It is like  a sweet which is pleasurable but is pleasure an entity , no it is not , it is simply a quality and the sweet is the entity. So the question is what is consciousness? It is a state of the organism like the dream-state , sleep-state and awake-state. And awareness is strongest in the awake-state of the organism and in the sleep-state awareness is very nominal. So what we are trying to define is a quality and not an entity , so how do you define a quality , can you define pain , pleasure , sweet , sour and such other abstract things , no you cannot!

So as definitions go we can only say that consciousness is a state of awareness of an organism and is an attribute which can be understood and not defined.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

That's all true RP and part of what many of us are conscious of - though I think governments beyond thinking.  Whether we know what consciousness is or not, we often talk of needed change in it.  I'd go for creating something that removed us from grim material competition - but some have it we would lose all motivation in such a state.

We avoid the real morality, perhaps by talk of unattainable abstracts like a definition of consciousness.  Good start RP.  Maybe Allan will have something to say once he's finished chewing his rock?  I think we need to go deep green on materials and far more compassionate spiritually.  If this actually happened in our lifetimes we'd know consciousness can change.  Love is fine, but expecting it from horrible people is usually not a good strategy.

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:18:35 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

Neil , since we know that it is our biology which is acting out and that what we are doing it is the gogs which are working shouldn't we be more tolerant , think of ways and means to address questions of terror ,rage , etc. with a more humanitarian way than to meet violence with violence , shouldn't we meet hate with love and understanding knowing that our brethren know not what they are doing , shouldn't we be more compassionate , is retribution the only way , force the only answer , no Neil , our Governments must think of other options.

When our children do wrong we try to help them by counselling because we love them , couldn't we do the same with others knowing them to be our ignorant brethren , couldn't there be some way to make them realize that their philosophy is wrong , their attitude wrong , we must try and seek alternatives otherwise this monster of terror will never die but rise a hundred times with each drop of bloodshed.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

It could even be RP that some disaster in, say, 50 years, which a little change now might help us avert, brings the end of humans.

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

What would be there if there were no laws of nature --mayhem everywhere , chaos , destruction , anarchy. What if all laws fail ,annihilation--and it might be that the universe will end that way.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:35 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly there is satisfaction and assurance of well-being.

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