Punishment is simply the act of allocating a just response to an
imorral action.
In my duties as a father, I can be hard nosed, I expect a certian
standard of moral behaviour form my childen and have been known to
dish out punishments for transgretions.
If I catch one of my sons stealing then they will pay the money back
and may gain themselves a grounding to boot, or a timed ban from the
PC, Xbox, playstation.
When we punish children it is to teach them that there are
consequences for their actions.
This does not stop at adulthood. If an adult steals money then
punishment needs to be applied. Pay the money back to your victim and
then spend some time in prison.
Take anothers life, spend the rest of your life in prison.
Destroy anothers property then pay to have it rebuilt, and spend some
time in prison.
If you commit a crime then you must be made to face the consequences
of your actions.
On Aug 19, 10:26 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is a slightly rendered version of the scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgEHAKcG9k&feature=related...
>
> read more »
>
> But tell us, Lee, what do you understand by punishment? Could you give us
> one, two, three, four examples for us to get a feel for it?
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey Gabs,
>
> > I have not yet got around to watching that, yeah yeah I know. But
> > again an eye for an eye punishment is not what I would advocate. I
> > see that kind of thought as more akin to revenge than punishment.
>
> > On Aug 18, 6:20 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How about the an-eye-for-an-eye comparison as the "pure punishment"? A
> > > Clockwork Orange comes to mind .. the eye scene.. as far as I remember it
> > > didn't work then. Do you know what I mean?...
>
> > > read more »
>
> > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Hah are you trying to make a comparision with my stance and the
> > > > Arabian crime and punishment system?
>
> > > > It's a false comparision, I have not called for theives to have their
> > > > hands cut off.
>
> > > > On Aug 18, 1:47 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Prisons are an industry over here- like nursing homes. Pure
> > punishment
> > > > > exisits in Arabia, doesn't it?
>
> > > > > Is war/terrorism also a punishment?
>
> > > > > Prisons place wrong-doers out of sight, out of mind so commerce and
> > > > > entertainment are not interrupted.
>
> > > > > Ask the super rich about how much they need, Lee, for they are the
> > > > > force that drives society. The rioters were clear- they were showing
> > > > > the rich that they also had a right to luxury goods. They are
> > > > > surrounded with images and public figures that flaunt possessions and
> > > > > wealth so you have to understand why they want a piece of the action/
> > > > > pie Plus a nation's wars/colonizations are a form of greed, aren't
> > > > > they?
>
> > > > > On Aug 18, 7:28 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Naaaa prisons in this country are still oppeating under the
> > Victorian
> > > > > > principle of rehabilitation. I think the majority of us would
> > rather
> > > > > > see them setup as pure punishment for crimes commited, I am one of
> > > > > > these.
>
> > > > > > I for one do not feel smugness, but I do think wrong doing should
> > be
> > > > > > punished. I mean we punish our children, why not then punish our
> > > > > > adults?
>
> > > > > > Yes debt. But the thing with this debt is it has been with us for
> > a
> > > > > > looong time now, why the sudden rush to pay it back? Given the
> > global
> > > > > > fiscal situation I would rather see some loving feelings going on
> > by
> > > > > > those who we owe. Take down the intrest rate, give us longer or
> > > > > > perhaps similar to the drive a while back for Africa, scrap the
> > dept,
> > > > > > yeah!
>
> > > > > > Greed, man it is the ruining of this world. How much does one
> > person
> > > > > > need?
>
> > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > What are prisons but holding pens so society feels smug about its
> > > > > > > culture?
>
> > > > > > > There are probably enough hospitals and schools- what's missing
> > is
> > > > > > > methods, cost controls, etc.
>
> > > > > > > Britain and the USA are broke/in debt. China is over-extended.
> > Etc.
>
> > > > > > > The best way out of debt is not to spend money you don't have and
> > pay
> > > > > > > off debts as soon as possible.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:37 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It does seem ludicrus to me that with an ever expanding
> > population
> > > > > > > > that next to nowt has been done to expand our infrastructure.
> > We
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to be building more prisions, more hospitals, more shcools,
> > more
> > > > > > > > social houseing. I mean that is common sense innit?
>
> > > > > > > > It also occours to me that amongst the very best ways out of
> > > > recision
> > > > > > > > is building.
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:31 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You will also wind up paying higher taxes for those that are
> > sent
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > prison according to a lawyer on BBC radio last night. I think
> > he
> > > > said
> > > > > > > > > prisons are already burdened with 86,000 souls (but the USA
> > beats
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > figure by miles). It sounds like the courts are swamped and
> > > > handing
> > > > > > > > > down stiff sentences so the country can repair its moral
> > > > core/civil
> > > > > > > > > behavior. Besides, the Olympics are coming up and after all
> > that
> > > > money
> > > > > > > > > is invested, one would not want to frighten away the
> > tourists-
> > > > like
> > > > > > > > > they have in the Middle East.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:34 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Don't worry, archy. You will be paying higher insurance
> > > > premiums to
> > > > > > > > > > cover the losses anyway. Trickle down justice.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:18 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I think Orn is right. Rationalists are often impossible
> > > > fantasists
> > > > > > > > > > > leading highly disturbed lives. But if emotions are an
> > ever
> > > > present
> > > > > > > > > > > as I'd agree, one can deny them to some degree if you can
> > > > catch
> > > > > > > > > > > yourself (and as importantly others) in them when moral
> > > > judgement runs
> > > > > > > > > > > afoot.
> > > > > > > > > > > That we are brainless in this area as a general
> > population is
> > > > obvious
> > > > > > > > > > > from reaction to the UK 'riots' and demands for heavy
> > > > punishments (our
> > > > > > > > > > > courts are berserk at the moment) for these people but
> > can't
> > > > even see
> > > > > > > > > > > that we are being looted by the rich and are not even
> > > > investigating
> > > > > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm an advocate of modern National Service that would
> > involve
> > > > > > > > > > > disciplined work but not necessarily armed service - but
> > we
> > > > can't pay
> > > > > > > > > > > for it because the rich have looted the money and have
> > > > > > > > > > > disproportionate influence on government through their
> > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > accumulations.
> > > > > > > > > > > We should be some time to such reactions before deciding,
> > but
> > > > if one
> > > > > > > > > > > gives power such time it usually steal the moment and the
> > > > decision for
> > > > > > > > > > > itself.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 11:45 am, Lee Douglas <
> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ohh Rigys, i don't doubt for a second that thoese
> > > > effecthave every
> > > > > > > > > > > > right to be angry, I question wether or not morality is
> > > > best served
> > > > > > > > > > > > with any emotional attachment. I have used anger as an
> > > > example, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > really I mean all emotions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > A freind of mine posted on facebook something along the
> > > > lines of bring
> > > > > > > > > > > > back national servic, as a punishment for the looters.
> > This
> > > > was said
> > > > > > > > > > > > in anger and when it comes down to it, is it a good
> > idea to
> > > > teach
> > > > > > > > > > > > thugs how to kill?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 11:45 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There must be laws on the books to cover riots,
> > looting,
> > > > damage to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > property. This isn't the first era of a poor economy
> > for
> > > > Britain. Has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > networking changed the formulas?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another factor is immigration and clash of cultures
> > and
> > > > religions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What if once cheap labor is no longer needed? It
> > seems to
> > > > me- though I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > may be wrong- that immigrants rarely return to their
> > > > original homeland
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and bring their new skills and education forward in
> > third
> > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > > > > countries. And social programs may quash desires to
> > roll
> > > > up their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sleeves once again in their homeland.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I learned this weekend from a discussion that one
> > cannot
> > > > fire upon a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thief- it's only permitted when one's life is in
> > > > jeopardy. That seems
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a thin line- wait till the bloke attempts to kill
> > you!
> > > > Our laws have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > probably changed a great deal- I doubt cattle
> > rustlers
> > > > were treated so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mercifully.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to anger, I think shop owners and home dwellers
> > and
> > > > townsmen had/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have every right to be blistering mad at the looters
> > and
> > > > rioters.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I made a long list of non-lethal protective measures.
> > > > Baseball bats
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were not on the list as they can crack a skull and
> > kill
> > > > someone.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 6:09 am, Lee Douglas <
> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paradox, yes agreat frind of mine tells me the same
> > > > sorta thing, that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality without emotion is somehow lacking. It is
> > > > partly due to his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > words and my respect for him that I have started
> > this
> > > > thread.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However as Rigsy points out to evict a looter from
> > his
> > > > council home
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for his looting does not adress any problems, nor
> > does
> > > > it serve as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adiquate punishment, and would I think only make
> > things
> > > > worse.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This course of actions is a fine example of
> > > > thinking/talking about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > morality whilst angry, and is to my mind no good at- Hide quoted text -
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