also. To relate the outcome of my four children- the straight arrow is
estranged from all of us while the children who were a huge challenge
at various times and I remain very close. And I have seen so many
surprise consequences/outcomes in other families- in fact, I am a
surprise to myself. Off to breakfast.
On Aug 19, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heheh yeah that is the lot of the parent I think. Of course I
> understand that ultimatly my kids will leave home and live by their
> own morality, but ahhhh until then they are subject to mine!
> Mwhahahahahah!
>
> On Aug 19, 12:35 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I thought I ran a "tight ship' but later discovered there were leaks!
>
> > On Aug 19, 6:16 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Sure Gabs.
>
> > > Punishment is simply the act of allocating a just response to an
> > > imorral action.
>
> > > In my duties as a father, I can be hard nosed, I expect a certian
> > > standard of moral behaviour form my childen and have been known to
> > > dish out punishments for transgretions.
>
> > > If I catch one of my sons stealing then they will pay the money back
> > > and may gain themselves a grounding to boot, or a timed ban from the
> > > PC, Xbox, playstation.
>
> > > When we punish children it is to teach them that there are
> > > consequences for their actions.
>
> > > This does not stop at adulthood. If an adult steals money then
> > > punishment needs to be applied. Pay the money back to your victim and
> > > then spend some time in prison.
>
> > > Take anothers life, spend the rest of your life in prison.
>
> > > Destroy anothers property then pay to have it rebuilt, and spend some
> > > time in prison.
>
> > > If you commit a crime then you must be made to face the consequences
> > > of your actions.
>
> > > On Aug 19, 10:26 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Here is a slightly rendered version of the scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgEHAKcG9k&feature=related...
>
> > > > read more »
>
> > > > But tell us, Lee, what do you understand by punishment? Could you give us
> > > > one, two, three, four examples for us to get a feel for it?
>
> > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > Hey Gabs,
>
> > > > > I have not yet got around to watching that, yeah yeah I know. But
> > > > > again an eye for an eye punishment is not what I would advocate. I
> > > > > see that kind of thought as more akin to revenge than punishment.
>
> > > > > On Aug 18, 6:20 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > How about the an-eye-for-an-eye comparison as the "pure punishment"? A
> > > > > > Clockwork Orange comes to mind .. the eye scene.. as far as I remember it
> > > > > > didn't work then. Do you know what I mean?...
>
> > > > > > read more »
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hah are you trying to make a comparision with my stance and the
> > > > > > > Arabian crime and punishment system?
>
> > > > > > > It's a false comparision, I have not called for theives to have their
> > > > > > > hands cut off.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 18, 1:47 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Prisons are an industry over here- like nursing homes. Pure
> > > > > punishment
> > > > > > > > exisits in Arabia, doesn't it?
>
> > > > > > > > Is war/terrorism also a punishment?
>
> > > > > > > > Prisons place wrong-doers out of sight, out of mind so commerce and
> > > > > > > > entertainment are not interrupted.
>
> > > > > > > > Ask the super rich about how much they need, Lee, for they are the
> > > > > > > > force that drives society. The rioters were clear- they were showing
> > > > > > > > the rich that they also had a right to luxury goods. They are
> > > > > > > > surrounded with images and public figures that flaunt possessions and
> > > > > > > > wealth so you have to understand why they want a piece of the action/
> > > > > > > > pie Plus a nation's wars/colonizations are a form of greed, aren't
> > > > > > > > they?
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 7:28 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Naaaa prisons in this country are still oppeating under the
> > > > > Victorian
> > > > > > > > > principle of rehabilitation. I think the majority of us would
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > see them setup as pure punishment for crimes commited, I am one of
> > > > > > > > > these.
>
> > > > > > > > > I for one do not feel smugness, but I do think wrong doing should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > punished. I mean we punish our children, why not then punish our
> > > > > > > > > adults?
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes debt. But the thing with this debt is it has been with us for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > looong time now, why the sudden rush to pay it back? Given the
> > > > > global
> > > > > > > > > fiscal situation I would rather see some loving feelings going on
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > those who we owe. Take down the intrest rate, give us longer or
> > > > > > > > > perhaps similar to the drive a while back for Africa, scrap the
> > > > > dept,
> > > > > > > > > yeah!
>
> > > > > > > > > Greed, man it is the ruining of this world. How much does one
> > > > > person
> > > > > > > > > need?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > What are prisons but holding pens so society feels smug about its
> > > > > > > > > > culture?
>
> > > > > > > > > > There are probably enough hospitals and schools- what's missing
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > methods, cost controls, etc.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Britain and the USA are broke/in debt. China is over-extended.
> > > > > Etc.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The best way out of debt is not to spend money you don't have and
> > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > > > off debts as soon as possible.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 6:37 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It does seem ludicrus to me that with an ever expanding
> > > > > population
> > > > > > > > > > > that next to nowt has been done to expand our infrastructure.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > > > to be building more prisions, more hospitals, more shcools,
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > social houseing. I mean that is common sense innit?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It also occours to me that amongst the very best ways out of
> > > > > > > recision
> > > > > > > > > > > is building.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 12:31 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > You will also wind up paying higher taxes for those that are
> > > > > sent
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > prison according to a lawyer on BBC radio last night. I think
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > prisons are already burdened with 86,000 souls (but the USA
> > > > > beats
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > figure by miles). It sounds like the courts are swamped and
> > > > > > > handing
> > > > > > > > > > > > down stiff sentences so the country can repair its moral
> > > > > > > core/civil
> > > > > > > > > > > > behavior. Besides, the Olympics are coming up and after all
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > money
> > > > > > > > > > > > is invested, one would not want to frighten away the
> > > > > tourists-
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > they have in the Middle East.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:34 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry, archy. You will be paying higher insurance
> > > > > > > premiums to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cover the losses anyway. Trickle down justice.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 7:18 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Orn is right. Rationalists are often impossible
> > > > > > > fantasists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading highly disturbed lives. But if emotions are an
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > present
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I'd agree, one can deny them to some degree if you can
> > > > > > > catch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself (and as importantly others) in them when moral
> > > > > > > judgement runs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > afoot.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That we are brainless in this area as a general
> > > > > population is
> > > > > > > obvious
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from reaction to the UK 'riots' and demands for heavy
> > > > > > > punishments (our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > courts are berserk at the moment) for these people but
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > > even see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are being looted by the rich and are not even
> > > > > > > investigating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an advocate of modern National Service that would
> > > > > involve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciplined work but not necessarily armed service - but
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > can't pay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for it because the rich have looted the money and have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disproportionate influence on government through their
> > > > > rotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > accumulations.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should be some time to such reactions before deciding,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > if one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives power such time it usually steal the moment and the
> > > > > > > decision for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 11:45 am, Lee Douglas <
> > > > > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ohh Rigys, i don't doubt for a second that thoese
> > > > > > > effecthave every
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to be angry, I question wether or not morality is
> > > > > > > best served
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with any emotional attachment. I have used anger as an
> > > > > > > example, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really I mean all emotions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A freind of mine posted on facebook something along the
> > > > > > > lines of bring
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back national servic, as a punishment for the looters.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > was said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in anger and when it comes down to it, is it a good
> > > > > idea to
> > > > > > > teach
>
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