effects are still barbaric in wars- and can be ruinous in economics,
as well. The individual cannot influence the unseen powers that be
which direct his society.
In the West, rape has been superceded by sexual freedoms where some
females objectify themselves through availability/cultural norms.
Girls and women also have the freedom to regulate their pregnancies or
terminate them versus throwing themselves over a parapet after a
Viking raid but many snags remain unsolved regarding this aspect of
culture. Then, there is the one-child policy of China that has created
a new set of problems- too many boys/men who can't find a mate and too
much stress on one child to care for the elderly. At any rate, the
Middle Ages inherited the Ancient regarding rape and plunder as a
reward for the victors and war brides in modern times might be
related- though an unpopular notion.
Back to buffers- humans have constructed them to gain some distance
from Nature which is so competitive and brutal- thus tribe, religion,
various forms of government, commerce and trade, society and
ettiquette and so on all allow one either a real or false sense of
security and safety.
The spirit wins over the flesh when one is honest and is prepared to
take the consequences of that honesty as in family dynamics, business,
social groups, i.e. the everyday stuff where ordinary wills are tested
to act or not- defining essence/character.
Protests are filtered through the media- some are good- some are bad
according to the self-interest represented plus they can be staged by
outside powers or policies which may have ulterior motives. A mob is a
mob is a mob...
On Aug 20, 3:37 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah... the Sartrean conclusion that existence precedes essence must
> not come to (de)mean that, therefore, essence has no place before the
> fait accompli of existence.
>
> It's commonplace that the spirit(essence) fails before the
> flesh(existence). But it also wins... because we do not have as many
> rapes, if it otherwise !
> In fact, say what we might, the number of rapes as % of population in
> most societies is way lower compared to the barbaric savagery of
> Medieval times, when the entire culture was shaped by rape being the
> right of feudal overlords and very much an acceptable weapon in times
> of war.
>
> On Aug 20, 1:23 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I believe we are still having the Feudal - Colonial Opaque
> > Authoritarian Model Of State even in democracies today. That effect is
> > so overpowering, pervading, drawing businesses and oligarchs to its
> > fold because of the massive largesse the State has a hand on, which in
> > turn draw people to the same Master - Slave relationship the oligarchs
> > have with the State.
>
> > The need is to overturn this State is the Master and People are its
> > Subjects arrangement. Maybe, we will succeed one day, especially in
> > societies that have been cultured in non-violence and have come to
> > accept it as a value. Coz the arrangement can never be upset by
> > violence however much the US Americans may believe in the raison
> > d'etre of their gun culture. People in China tried it but the State
> > there does not accept non-violence as a value.
>
> > Things are happening in India right now... but only because the State
> > cannot dare to use violence against the huge turnout of non-violent
> > protesters who, in essence, are saying that the People have a
> > supremacy over the State, the Parliament and the Executive !
>
> > It is all very much poised... and could go either way.
>
> > On Aug 20, 11:57 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo...
>
> > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full of
> > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and
> > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did see
> > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the
> > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it casts a
> > > very different view that our riots were really only history repeating
> > > itself.
>
> > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response
> > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk reactions'
> > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people
> > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at the
> > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence
> > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly
> > > dubious techniques.
>
> > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant
> > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and
> > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more
> > > centralised than any politburo.
>
> > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very frustrating
> > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human
> > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is
> > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist
> > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but
> > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again in
> > > wider social action.
>
> > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take
> > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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