[Mind's Eye] Re: The Protocols of Reaction

Meh! I'm still confused.

On Aug 22, 4:25 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> God wants to see strong children who know what they know and therefore do
> not fall prey to future sellers.
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> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Hey Gabs,
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> > Wot?  Now you have confussed me again.
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> > What are you talking baout now?
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> > On Aug 22, 1:52 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Argh, Lee, you fell for Molly's imagery and forgot to put enough wax into
> > > your ears!
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> > > Do you remember how proud you felt when your younger son apologized for
> > > being selfish over not wanting to lend the PS3 game to his brother to
> > take
> > > it out of the house? Although his saying no in the beginning was probably
> > > the most sensible reaction considering the experiences he had made and
> > had
> > > heard of up to that day?
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> > > Seeing Rome burn and asking oneself what does this mean for me and mine
> > > could have been the incentive to grab the bucket and extinguish the fire!
> > > Which would have been a very social thing to do at that time!
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> > > Another moral: Give your children time to find their own words for
> > > their/they're meanings of our brandings.
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> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
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> > > > Because as a speices we are all rather insulare.  We can't help but
> > > > think and act according to 'how it effects us' as individuals, as
> > > > small family units.
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> > > > Instead of seing Rome burning and asking what does this mean for
> > > > humanity we see it burn and ask instead, what does this mean for me
> > > > and mine.
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> > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are
> > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders.
> > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in
> > > > > mutual creativity.  Finding and maintaining that point in experience
> > > > > is a real challenge.  Once found, old orders fall away, new orders
> > are
> > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same
> > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action.
> > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges.  Yet all we can see or feel is
> > > > > Rome burning.  Why?
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> > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo.
> > > > ..
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> > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago.  Our media was full
> > of
> > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and
> > > > > > unprecedented.  I did not believe this as I watched - though I did
> > see
> > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games.  The above link to the
> > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it
> > casts a
> > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history
> > repeating
> > > > > > itself.
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> > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional
> > response
> > > > > > (or should).  I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk
> > reactions'
> > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people
> > > > > > left to their own devices.  I believe our democracies are weak at
> > the
> > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence
> > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly
> > > > > > dubious techniques.
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> > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant
> > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and
> > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far
> > more
> > > > > > centralised than any politburo.
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> > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy.  Teaching is very
> > frustrating
> > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human
> > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is
> > > > > > similar.  The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be
> > elitist
> > > > > > and sneer at others.  I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas'
> > but
> > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again
> > in
> > > > > > wider social action.
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> > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people
> > take
> > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text
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