wow.... thank you for posting this Rigs... something to qusetion my own weak uninformed stands with... that line of Socrates"Do Gods love something because it is holy or is it holy because Gods love it".... a friend said it.. i mean it came up in a discussion and i didnt know it was socrates;-) ... but anyways.... about what Joel says... well actually no i cant see ethics without morality... so i am not too sure... need to give it more thought in the shower....
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EverComing
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