It is good to read your writings again Molly, I have missed you.
Allan
On Aug 20, 2011 2:51 PM, "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are
> often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders.
> The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in
> mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience
> is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders are
> created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same
> time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action.
> Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is
> Rome burning. Why?
>
> On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo...
>>
>> We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full of
>> people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and
>> unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did see
>> a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the
>> Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it casts a
>> very different view that our riots were really only history repeating
>> itself.
>>
>> I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response
>> (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk reactions'
>> - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people
>> left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at the
>> moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence
>> politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly
>> dubious techniques.
>>
>> I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant
>> Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and
>> thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more
>> centralised than any politburo.
>>
>> I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very frustrating
>> because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human
>> beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is
>> similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist
>> and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but
>> the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again in
>> wider social action.
>>
>> I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take
>> in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?
> Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are
> often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders.
> The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in
> mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience
> is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders are
> created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same
> time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action.
> Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is
> Rome burning. Why?
>
> On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo...
>>
>> We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full of
>> people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and
>> unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did see
>> a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the
>> Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it casts a
>> very different view that our riots were really only history repeating
>> itself.
>>
>> I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional response
>> (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk reactions'
>> - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people
>> left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at the
>> moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence
>> politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly
>> dubious techniques.
>>
>> I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant
>> Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and
>> thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far more
>> centralised than any politburo.
>>
>> I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very frustrating
>> because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human
>> beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is
>> similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be elitist
>> and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' but
>> the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again in
>> wider social action.
>>
>> I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people take
>> in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?
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