governments and regimes?
On Sep 8, 8:42 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem with accounting is that it is mostly fraudulent - from
> performance management in organisations, to the banksterism of CDOs
> (and the rest) and on to the way politicians conduct themselves it is
> based on 'performance' as acting. For transparency we need less
> accounting - but for the accounts to be available to public scrutiny -
> this leads to privacy considerations.
>
> Before any technical consideration though, we should look at the
> brutal facts of people being kept poor and a tiny few getting sickly
> rich and who hangs on to the tail-coats of the rich as a nomenclature
> (the next 30%). This is animal living in my view, not human. The
> accumulated riches do not translate into organising poor people so
> they can self-sustain - think how much we could grow doing this. The
> money put in, even in micro-finance, is fraudulently abstracted to the
> rich and their entourages and then further burdens the tax payer with
> debt. Audit methods need to be very sophisticated, as they are in
> good construction site management, to ensure proper build standards
> (and look how often this is flouted).
>
> The big problem to overcome is generally that of false claims made by
> people one cannot challenge to show and tell. We are no more allowed
> to set a team of 'untouchables' (and remember Eliot Ness wrote his own
> myth) on the banksters than on Mugabe and his ilk. I would say that
> the first step is to prevent the shadow banking system having any
> credibility and make transactions with it a criminal offence. Britain
> is a hub of this - and capital flight centres on London. Given that
> most loans to third world leaders go wrong, it's impossible to believe
> the banks aren't complicit - just ask yourself if you'd lend the
> Mugabe's of this world a bean - so why would an experienced banker if
> he was really accountable for the performance of the loan? The
> banksters get some return and hide the thieving via 'Swiss banking' -
> which is largely US and UK (etc.) or we would just stop it.
>
> We need to start focusing knowledge and resources instead of money -
> money should be in a primitive banking system that is transparent.
> The deep problem is that money makes money in volatile speculations
> (bubbles) and through illegal activities (drugs etc.).and wealth is
> not produced from real work aimed at building communities - lurking
> behind this thinking are spectres of fascism and Sino-Soviet
> dictatorships that we need to build into the thinking to prevent
> them. My view is that organised crime is winning and has been the
> real theory-in-use of western capitalism, inherited from the
> imperialism that is all our history. We need to replace greed as the
> motivator and the existential great leader as anything other than a
> non-starter. Competition needs to be seen in a different way and
> there is a part-model in sport, though a bad model obscures a good one
> in this.
>
> On Sep 8, 7:36 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I disagree. When laws create a democratic institution centred on
> > people's interest, corruption complaint and harassment grievance... it
> > becomes a means through which the people can bring the govt to book,
> > make it accountable and even punish it through verdicts of courts of
> > law.
>
> > The Law on Right To Information is an example... it's done wonders.
> > That's the India experience, of course. Other countries would have
> > theirs.
>
> > Wiki's been very, very good... more because it exposed duplicitous
> > behaviour and double-speak hitherto considered very much as the done
> > thing. But there's much much more of tech applications that need to be
> > adopted... online surveys and referendums are one, suo moto gauging of
> > public sentiment and people aligning themselves against opaque,
> > unresponsive govts on issues and cases is another, ERP adaptation for
> > public admn projects is a third... both accounting and reporting, and
> > intervention. There is much that can be done with speed, honesty and
> > cost-effectiveness.
>
> > DarkwaterBlight wrote:
> > > Awareness is not enough but rather, a start and only scratching the
> > > surface at this point as Archytas points out. Wiki Leaks is a good
> > > example of using thechnology for public awareness and accountability
> > > however unscrupulous thier means. Passing more laws leaves a bad taste
> > > in my mouth when I say it so I'm not quite sure that's an answer.
>
> > > On Sep 7, 10:47 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Been a case here last week... his palatial house is confiscated and
> > > > turned into a school !
>
> > > > The proposed ombudsman bill has provision of confiscation of private
> > > > property. Which, of course, the parliamentarians and bureaucrats are
> > > > very averse to passing ! But they have no option with people awake to
> > > > what it is that they want in the bill.
>
> > > > On Sep 7, 11:58 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Criminal activity is extremely hard to start as the politicians which are
> > > > > the core of over the years I watched it deteriorate. but unfortunately the
> > > > > worst of it started with Reaganomics. where the foot hole was gained. now
> > > > > you have take on the spin doctors of Washington and in Europe but here they
> > > > > are not quite as bad yet.
> > > > > To change it would require laws to be pasted that would go against
> > > > > the interest of big money and then enforce them stringently.. and when
> > > > > attacking the problem it has to become where if you are found involved in
> > > > > illegal activities you lose everything and your immediate family, The idea
> > > > > is to prevent them from dispersing it else whee.. and it needs to include
> > > > > corporations.. if a corporation is found in illegal activities the
> > > > > president vice presidents and the entire board of directors need to lose
> > > > > everything.. then when the threat of lose of their personal wealth you
> > > > > will see the change quite quickly..
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:32 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Some indication of how hard Vam's project is can be found at
>
> > > > > >http://www.economics.jku.at/members/Schneider/files/publications/OrgC...
> > > > > > - though I think the amount of organised criminal money is much higher
> > > > > > than the near trillion dollars shown in this research. Finance has
> > > > > > become a shell game with 50 shells played by a quintet of squid.
> > > > > > Balance sheets are now highly transparent but irrelevant to what goes
> > > > > > on in large companies and banks. We have to make business transparent
> > > > > > and any accounting that prevents this criminal. I suspect this would
> > > > > > collapse financial services and retailing.
>
> > > > > > On Sep 6, 11:02 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Would I have been a cop for them Gabby! Sadly, the murkier bit I did
> > > > > > > only made it more obvious I was on the wrong side. Corruption is
> > > > > > > winning.
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 6, 8:23 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >http://transparency.org/
>
> > > > > > > > Transparency International, the global civil society organisation
> > > > > > leading
> > > > > > > > the fight against corruption, brings people together in a powerful
> > > > > > worldwide
> > > > > > > > coalition to end the devastating impact of corruption on men, women and
> > > > > > > > children around the world.
> > > > > > > > TI's mission is to create change towards a world free of corruption.
>
> > > > > > > > Transparency International challenges the inevitability of corruption,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > offers hope to its victims. Since its founding in 1993, TI has played a
> > > > > > lead
> > > > > > > > role in improving the lives of millions around the world by building
> > > > > > > > momentum for the anti-corruption movement. TI raises awareness and
> > > > > > > > diminishes apathy and tolerance of corruption, and devises and
> > > > > > implements
> > > > > > > > practical actions to address it.
>
> > > > > > > > Transparency International is a global network including more than 90
> > > > > > > > locally established national chapters and chapters-in-formation. These
> > > > > > > > bodies fight corruption in the national arena in a number of ways. They
> > > > > > > > bring together relevant players from government, civil society,
> > > > > > business and
> > > > > > > > the media to promote transparency in elections, in public
> > > > > > administration, in
> > > > > > > > procurement and in business. TI's global network of chapters and
> > > > > > contacts
> > > > > > > > also use advocacy campaigns to lobby governments to implement
> > > > > > > > anti-corruption reforms.
>
> > > > > > > > Politically non-partisan, TI does not undertake investigations of
> > > > > > alleged
> > > > > > > > corruption or expose individual cases, but at times will work in
> > > > > > coalition
> > > > > > > > with organisations that do.
>
> > > > > > > > TI has the skills, tools, experience, expertise and broad participation
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fight corruption on the ground, as well as through global and regional
> > > > > > > > initiatives.
>
> > > > > > > > Now in its second decade, Transparency International is maturing,
> > > > > > > > intensifying and diversifying its fight against corruption.
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Technology for Transparency Network - Final Report : Global mapping
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > technology for transparency and accountability.
>
> > > > > > > > >http://bit.ly/qHPWXQ
>
> > > > > > > > > - Bringing projects and interventions to scale.
>
> > > > > > > > > - Bringing citizens closer to the policymaking process through new
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > improved channels of participation as well as citizen monitoring of
>
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