people hold up technology and democracy and what not. The oligarchs
are accumulating and manipulation and are more and more insecure and
afraid of " Jasmine Uprising." The intellectuals are battling the
ghosts. And people are becoming more and more poor and disenfranchised
in a real sense. The Western economies are poorer today than in the
60s. In the US, 20% are on food stamps. Greece, Italy, Spain, UK,
Ireland, France, Portugal... you name it.
On the other hand Russia is becoming more and more undemocratic and
dictatorial... 22% adults wish to emigrate for good... yes, FOR GOOD.
China is a monster that believes only 100% propaganda and homogeneity
can prevent a violent upheaval... the CPC cannot dismount the tiger it
is riding on !
In India, something interesting has just happened... the govt and the
Parliament has had to hear the people's call for inclusive
participation, anti-corruption ombudsman, transparency... setting a
path from VOTE FOR POWER IN DEMOCRACY to POWER FOR VALUES IN
DEMOCRACY. It has a long way to go.
It's the people who have to rise up to say that the entire power of
the State is theirs... only delegated to democratic institutions for
their welfare and care, and nation building, and not to be usurped by
an opaque, wilful and corrupt dispensation manipulated by self -
serving oligarchical clique.
On Sep 5, 2:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I feel education is of great importance as it is the foundation for growth
> as humanity. The truth comes to the simple point either you are growing or
> you are dying. There is no standing still.
>
> As I look at civilization I see a society that is in reality is stagnant,
> control by an extreme minority who are terrified of losing control. The
> result is extreme poverty world wide.
> Allan
> On Sep 4, 2011 1:21 PM, "Vam" <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > We need pragmatists and status quoists but can't depend on them for
> > our future.
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> > For that, we must nurture creatives, rebels and blasphemes. Precisely
> > what the social, political, judicial and business institutions are
> > structured and pre-programmed to progressively discourage, oppose,
> > reluctantly allow, absolutely oppose, and disallow. The majority of
> > the rest of the population follows in " their " image and conforms !
>
> > Don't get me wrong. Isn't that how it should be ? After all, we can't
> > encourage, much less allow, monumental change everyday. Can we ?
>
> > On Sep 4, 1:51 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That seems so true. It is scary,, the God came out of a coffershop
> >> conversation. Only it w called a 'Bartonian' named after my father.
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> >> It seem academics can only follow it teachings. You see the same thing to
> >> the extreme in the churches, there they spend their time proving their
> point
> >> by quoting their religious documents. Little to creativity or original
> >> thought.
> >> Allan
> >> On Sep 4, 2011 12:53 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > Icame across some recent research that says much I used to teach.
> >> > I'll paraphrase rather than linking to it. It fits with what Bill
> >> > says on politics, though the focus is 'creativity'
> >> > ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2011) — Most people view creativity as an asset
> >> > -- until they come across a creative idea. That's because creativity
> >> > not only reveals new perspectives; it promotes a sense of
> >> > uncertainty. The next time your great idea at work elicits silence or
> >> > eye rolls, you might just pity those co-workers. Fresh research
> >> > indicates they don't even know what a creative idea looks like and
> >> > that creativity, hailed as a positive change agent, actually makes
> >> > people squirm.
> >> > "How is it that people say they want creativity but in reality often
> >> > reject it?" said Jack Goncalo, ILR School assistant professor of
> >> > organizational behavior and co-author of research to be published in
> >> > an upcoming issue of the journal Psychological Science. The paper
> >> > reports on two 2010 experiments at the University of Pennsylvania
> >> > involving more than 200 people.
> >> > The studies' findings include:
> >> > Creative ideas are by definition novel, and novelty can trigger
> >> > feelings of uncertainty that make most people uncomfortable.
> >> > People dismiss creative ideas in favor of ideas that are purely
> >> > practical -- tried and true.
> >> > Objective evidence shoring up the validity of a creative proposal does
> >> > not motivate people to accept it.
> >> > Anti-creativity bias is so subtle that people are unaware of it, which
> >> > can interfere with their ability to recognize a creative idea.
> >> > For example, subjects had a negative reaction to a running shoe
> >> > equipped with nanotechnology that adjusted fabric thickness to cool
> >> > the foot and reduce blisters.
> >> > To uncover bias against creativity, the researchers used a subtle
> >> > technique to measure unconscious bias -- the kind to which people may
> >> > not want to admit, such as racism. Results revealed that while people
> >> > explicitly claimed to desire creative ideas, they actually associated
> >> > creative ideas with negative words such as "vomit," "poison" and
> >> > "agony."
> >> > Goncalo said this bias caused subjects to reject ideas for new
> >> > products that were novel and high quality.
> >> > "Our findings imply a deep irony," wrote the authors, who also include
> >> > Jennifer Mueller of the University of Pennsylvania and Shimul Melwani
> >> > of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. "Revealing the
> >> > existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help explain why
> >> > people might reject creative ideas and stifle scientific advancements,
> >> > even in the face of strong intentions to the contrary."
> >> > Uncertainty drives the search for and generation of creative ideas,
> >> > but "uncertainty also makes us less able to recognize creativity,
> >> > perhaps when we need it most," the researchers wrote. "Revealing the
> >> > existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help explain why
> >> > people might reject creative ideas and stifle scientific advancements,
> >> > even in the face of strong intentions to the contrary. ... The field
> >> > of creativity may need to shift its current focus from identifying how
> >> > to generate more creative ideas to identify how to help innovative
> >> > institutions recognize and accept creativity."
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> >> > Actually, I ended up cutting and pasting - this summary stands for
> >> > itself. Academics, as a rule, wouldn't experience creativity if it
> >> > was a fish that walked across the room and slapped them in the face
> >> > and most can't accept that many ordinary people can do it and they
> >> > can't. I don't want to produce anything for the market either rigsy
> >> > (I really used to see that 'b' in your name - something reinforced by
> >> > finding your wit a bit like the character in the sit-com). And I'm
> >> > aware of the trance Orn and think a lot of the glitz rigsy mentioned
> >> > is needed by those in it as a kind of opium.
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> >> > I never did the kind of research above, but this stuff matches the
> >> > broad tenets of my creativity classes and what I tried to do in
> >> > company change. The kids I've know (including me as one) hate
> >> > situations in which they discover something they didn't know. We are
> >> > kept in a perpetual 'child hood' though I have no objection to any
> >> > solace found in literature.
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> >> > On Sep 3, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> Besides sharing different stories of political analysis with friends,
> >> >> I continue to drive home the truth that as long as people in the USA
> >> >> stay in the trance of believing that voting for someone not in the two
> >> >> main parties is 'throwing away a vote' (a notion most likely
> >> >>I came across promulgated by these two parties) there will be little to
> no
> >> >> responsiveness to what 'we the people' want…something that is
> >> >> obviously ignored these days. When a politician actually might have to
> >> >> be responsive and yes, even be congruent in word and deed, only then
> >> >> can our form of representative democracy have any impact on how those
> >> >> selected to lead will not only act but actually be chosen rather than
> >> >> remaining in the terror that one might vote for someone who stands the
> >> >> chance of not winning!
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> >> >> To me, throwing away a vote is voting for the status quo.
>
> >> >> Sadly, the trance state remains in full force today.
>
> >> >> On Sep 3, 4:27 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > I am trying to think about how we could improve the minds/choices of
> >> >> > voters but get stumped. Part of the problem is that classical
> >> >> > educations do not always translate into common sense in real life-
> one
> >> >> > still must scrub the floors in those ivory towers. But I think most
> >> >> > attend college/grad studies with a work goal in mind these days. I
> >> >> > remember shop classes and vocational schools in public highschools
> but
> >> >> > perhaps that would invite a lawsuit by the ACLU these days- who
> knows?
> >> >> > And manufacturing/labor needs have changed drastically in our day
> due
> >> >> > to automation, robots and technology as well as every aspect of
> modern
> >> >> > life from home to office. So there is this vacuume. On the other
> hand,
> >> >> > I find great solace in my books and interests but since I refuse to
> >> >> > produce anything for the market, I guess I am worthless. :-) Oh- and
> I
> >> >> > decided to quit going to funerals altogether save my own.
>
> >> >> > The military is another consideration as a form of "education" and
> >> >> > employment.
>
> >> >> > I came across your screen name in my old class notes- just a line or
> >> >> > two re Plato and his visit.
>
> >> >> > Another problem with setting up a culture/form of government is that
> >> >> > you still are left with human nature!
>
> >> >> > On Sep 2, 10:14 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > > I'm no expert on the Greeks to be sure. I remember that women got
> to
> >> >> > > leave home when they were about 60 to go to funerals! I
> understand
> >> >> > > the 'men of their time' arguments - and we tend to forget Greece
> is
> >> >> > > really middle eastern - but I have real problems with the 'high'
> >> >> > > philosophy and no grasp of the wrongs on the treatment of slavery,
> >> >> > > indenture and women. It hardly suggests much of a route to a
> >> >> > > materially enlightened society. The Italian aristocracy was
> almost
> >> >> > > exclusively homosexual in the 17th century and much of the Middle
> >> East
> >> >> > > remains 'homosocial'. In scientific argument and practice we
> often
> >> >> > > work hard at excluding wads of common sense and religious muck
> under
> >> >> > > pretense of objectivity, yet we are really trying to include all
> >> >> > > options that aren't ludicrous (and we entertain these too to some
> >> >> > > extent). I find human thinking that ends up with notions that a
> sex
> >> >> > > or race is 'unequal' or unmeriting not wrong but intolerable, but
> >> this
> >> >> > > doesn't lead me to believe we can't have abortion or not give deaf
> >> >> > > people hearing if we can (and so on) - the intolerable remains a
> >> >> > > heuristic open to situational particularism. Equality doesn;t
> mean I
> >> >> > > won't lift the heavy box, think sport should be unisex, regard men
> as
> >> >> > > potential sexual partners and so on - but it does
>
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