was kind of a friend to me in college and she mentioned turning to
history rather than fiction down the days and that's pretty much where
I have turned, also. Her name was no longer allowed to be spoken after
her flight!
On Sep 3, 5:53 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Icame across some recent research that says much I used to teach.
> I'll paraphrase rather than linking to it. It fits with what Bill
> says on politics, though the focus is 'creativity'
> ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2011) — Most people view creativity as an asset
> -- until they come across a creative idea. That's because creativity
> not only reveals new perspectives; it promotes a sense of
> uncertainty. The next time your great idea at work elicits silence or
> eye rolls, you might just pity those co-workers. Fresh research
> indicates they don't even know what a creative idea looks like and
> that creativity, hailed as a positive change agent, actually makes
> people squirm.
> "How is it that people say they want creativity but in reality often
> reject it?" said Jack Goncalo, ILR School assistant professor of
> organizational behavior and co-author of research to be published in
> an upcoming issue of the journal Psychological Science. The paper
> reports on two 2010 experiments at the University of Pennsylvania
> involving more than 200 people.
> The studies' findings include:
> Creative ideas are by definition novel, and novelty can trigger
> feelings of uncertainty that make most people uncomfortable.
> People dismiss creative ideas in favor of ideas that are purely
> practical -- tried and true.
> Objective evidence shoring up the validity of a creative proposal does
> not motivate people to accept it.
> Anti-creativity bias is so subtle that people are unaware of it, which
> can interfere with their ability to recognize a creative idea.
> For example, subjects had a negative reaction to a running shoe
> equipped with nanotechnology that adjusted fabric thickness to cool
> the foot and reduce blisters.
> To uncover bias against creativity, the researchers used a subtle
> technique to measure unconscious bias -- the kind to which people may
> not want to admit, such as racism. Results revealed that while people
> explicitly claimed to desire creative ideas, they actually associated
> creative ideas with negative words such as "vomit," "poison" and
> "agony."
> Goncalo said this bias caused subjects to reject ideas for new
> products that were novel and high quality.
> "Our findings imply a deep irony," wrote the authors, who also include
> Jennifer Mueller of the University of Pennsylvania and Shimul Melwani
> of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. "Revealing the
> existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help explain why
> people might reject creative ideas and stifle scientific advancements,
> even in the face of strong intentions to the contrary."
> Uncertainty drives the search for and generation of creative ideas,
> but "uncertainty also makes us less able to recognize creativity,
> perhaps when we need it most," the researchers wrote. "Revealing the
> existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help explain why
> people might reject creative ideas and stifle scientific advancements,
> even in the face of strong intentions to the contrary. ... The field
> of creativity may need to shift its current focus from identifying how
> to generate more creative ideas to identify how to help innovative
> institutions recognize and accept creativity."
>
> Actually, I ended up cutting and pasting - this summary stands for
> itself. Academics, as a rule, wouldn't experience creativity if it
> was a fish that walked across the room and slapped them in the face
> and most can't accept that many ordinary people can do it and they
> can't. I don't want to produce anything for the market either rigsy
> (I really used to see that 'b' in your name - something reinforced by
> finding your wit a bit like the character in the sit-com). And I'm
> aware of the trance Orn and think a lot of the glitz rigsy mentioned
> is needed by those in it as a kind of opium.
>
> I never did the kind of research above, but this stuff matches the
> broad tenets of my creativity classes and what I tried to do in
> company change. The kids I've know (including me as one) hate
> situations in which they discover something they didn't know. We are
> kept in a perpetual 'child hood' though I have no objection to any
> solace found in literature.
>
> On Sep 3, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Besides sharing different stories of political analysis with friends,
> > I continue to drive home the truth that as long as people in the USA
> > stay in the trance of believing that voting for someone not in the two
> > main parties is 'throwing away a vote' (a notion most likely
> >I came across promulgated by these two parties) there will be little to no
> > responsiveness to what 'we the people' want…something that is
> > obviously ignored these days. When a politician actually might have to
> > be responsive and yes, even be congruent in word and deed, only then
> > can our form of representative democracy have any impact on how those
> > selected to lead will not only act but actually be chosen rather than
> > remaining in the terror that one might vote for someone who stands the
> > chance of not winning!
>
> > To me, throwing away a vote is voting for the status quo.
>
> > Sadly, the trance state remains in full force today.
>
> > On Sep 3, 4:27 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am trying to think about how we could improve the minds/choices of
> > > voters but get stumped. Part of the problem is that classical
> > > educations do not always translate into common sense in real life- one
> > > still must scrub the floors in those ivory towers. But I think most
> > > attend college/grad studies with a work goal in mind these days. I
> > > remember shop classes and vocational schools in public highschools but
> > > perhaps that would invite a lawsuit by the ACLU these days- who knows?
> > > And manufacturing/labor needs have changed drastically in our day due
> > > to automation, robots and technology as well as every aspect of modern
> > > life from home to office. So there is this vacuume. On the other hand,
> > > I find great solace in my books and interests but since I refuse to
> > > produce anything for the market, I guess I am worthless. :-) Oh- and I
> > > decided to quit going to funerals altogether save my own.
>
> > > The military is another consideration as a form of "education" and
> > > employment.
>
> > > I came across your screen name in my old class notes- just a line or
> > > two re Plato and his visit.
>
> > > Another problem with setting up a culture/form of government is that
> > > you still are left with human nature!
>
> > > On Sep 2, 10:14 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm no expert on the Greeks to be sure. I remember that women got to
> > > > leave home when they were about 60 to go to funerals! I understand
> > > > the 'men of their time' arguments - and we tend to forget Greece is
> > > > really middle eastern - but I have real problems with the 'high'
> > > > philosophy and no grasp of the wrongs on the treatment of slavery,
> > > > indenture and women. It hardly suggests much of a route to a
> > > > materially enlightened society. The Italian aristocracy was almost
> > > > exclusively homosexual in the 17th century and much of the Middle East
> > > > remains 'homosocial'. In scientific argument and practice we often
> > > > work hard at excluding wads of common sense and religious muck under
> > > > pretense of objectivity, yet we are really trying to include all
> > > > options that aren't ludicrous (and we entertain these too to some
> > > > extent). I find human thinking that ends up with notions that a sex
> > > > or race is 'unequal' or unmeriting not wrong but intolerable, but this
> > > > doesn't lead me to believe we can't have abortion or not give deaf
> > > > people hearing if we can (and so on) - the intolerable remains a
> > > > heuristic open to situational particularism. Equality doesn;t mean I
> > > > won't lift the heavy box, think sport should be unisex, regard men as
> > > > potential sexual partners and so on - but it does mean I don't approve
> > > > of daft notions of banning girls from playing soccer because they
> > > > can't share the changing rooms. And it does mean I tend to despise
> > > > argument that excludes what should matter in the pretense of
> > > > objectivity. Our people who can't do much academic are not sub-human,
> > > > but I suspect much intellectualism is - including daft economists
> > > > suggesting inter-generational mortgages, or that we have to have a
> > > > super-rich for the benefit of all. I am not led to conclusion much
> > > > and think this is a result of perverse schooling and a fixation with
> > > > 'strong leadership'. My guess is we need moral assertion on the basis
> > > > of likely outcomes on social issues and that we are ignoring an
> > > > interesting history of this at our peril, including the distraction
> > > > from actual change that wordy words becomes when we lack courage. The
> > > > key in this is probably deep in a form of mentality that can't work
> > > > out the metaphor of fiddling while Rome burns or banksterism as a
> > > > criminally organised road to serfdom. Socrates called the unexamined
> > > > life pointless and its easy to agree faced with yet another class of
> > > > students who don't read, populations who vote 'on the economy stupid'
> > > > knowing nothing of economics - yet he was wrong. What we have failed
> > > > to do is provide the technology of it that people can use.
>
> > > > On Sep 2, 1:05 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I dug up the file this afternoon- Spring "73- no mention of the
> > > > > professor's name but a reference to Tuft's- another university. He was
> > > > > older and soft spoken- his shirt sleeves had been shortened for some
> > > > > reason. I got an "A" for the final grade so I must have hooked into
> > > > > the material and my notes look complete and tidy. The course covered
> > > > > more than Plato- it was called Greek Thought/Classics Dept.- and I was
>
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