[Mind's Eye] Re: "Confessions of an Ex-Moralist"

Lots of luck with that one! :-)

On Sep 7, 1:00 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was looking at a possible government for Libia (No one listens to me and
> it just a thought.) because of the possibilities
> Idea
> a senate with two senators from each tribe  and say eight elected
> senators representative and elected by non tribe members. term six years
> A house of representatives elected by the population basis. term two years..
> A President elected by all citizens.. term four years with a maximum of two
> terms maximum of ten terms.
> A separate judicial system elected by the people  and of no religious party
> term six years maximum of two terms
> All officials under extreme scrutiny both video and audio especially when
> dealing with businesses..
>
> and a variable tax structure with out deductions..
>
> based of what I feel is good about the american system  (after all I am
> american by birth and the system I know the best,
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:04 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My guess is we have to realise our democracies are corrupt and look to
> > some alternatives to voting for parties that are easy prey to
> > lobbists.  One crucial statement is being made to us all the time -
> > that the rich and entrepreneurs need to corner over half of all wealth
> > in order to be 'motivated' and that we have to keep a lot of others
> > very poor.  This dooms us to a certain kind of economy - one I believe
> > is more or less feudal.
> > The question is how we can change this without being suckered into
> > another form of big government we can't afford - I share rigsy's view
> > on what we can currently vote for.  One of the problems we face is
> > free-riding - both of pond life and banksterism.  The rich are by far
> > the bjgger parasite.
>
> > We always hear that investment will go elsewhere if we tax at high
> > rates - with no discussion of why a small few deserve their returns
> > and others don't.  I'm not convinced by these special people or that
> > this form of wealth accumulation is moral or efficient - and I doubt
> > we understand its history.  We do seem to know, through imperialist
> > wars and "communist" experiments that big government is very
> > dangerous.  Mostly, we want government out of our lives - yet we need
> > control that allows us dignity and genuine public equality.  Allan
> > points to much soaked up attitude that needs to change - but many say
> > these are the very attitudes we need to exploit for 'success'.
>
> > Trying to do something about wealth distribution,prevent poverty, make
> > consumption sensible and societies peaceful and sustainable tends to
> > lead is into old positions of left and right - this is not where the
> > dialogue needs to go.
>
> > On Sep 6, 8:54 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I defficiento not have a crystal ball I wish I did,,  maybe the people
> > need to wake
> > > up and smell the roses, unfortunately in both Europe and the US the tiny
> > > percentage of the population control the media and with that they guide
> > the
> > > thinking into what they nee it to be to preserve their way of life.
> > >  Unfortunately to many people worship money  The golden calf syndrome and
> > > while they are in that state they can be controlled quiet easily.
>
> > > It is hard for everyone to get of the tiger of wealth and greed.
> > > Allan
>
> > > education amy allow one to see the dots  but it is also the very thing
> > that
> > > prevents then from stepping out of the boundaries.
>
> > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > True, Allan, except that it is not stagnant but dying... however much
> > > > people hold up technology and democracy and what not. The oligarchs
> > > > are accumulating and manipulation and are more and more insecure and
> > > > afraid of " Jasmine Uprising." The intellectuals are battling the
> > > > ghosts. And people are becoming more and more poor and disenfranchised
> > > > in a real sense. The Western economies are poorer today than in the
> > > > 60s. In the US, 20% are on food stamps. Greece, Italy, Spain, UK,
> > > > Ireland, France, Portugal... you name it.
>
> > > > On the other hand Russia is becoming more and more undemocratic and
> > > > dictatorial... 22% adults wish to emigrate for good... yes, FOR GOOD.
> > > > China is a monster that believes only 100% propaganda  and homogeneity
> > > > can prevent a violent upheaval... the CPC cannot dismount the tiger it
> > > > is riding on !
>
> > > > In India, something interesting has just happened... the govt and the
> > > > Parliament has had to hear the people's call for inclusive
> > > > participation, anti-corruption ombudsman, transparency... setting a
> > > > path from VOTE FOR POWER IN DEMOCRACY to POWER FOR VALUES IN
> > > > DEMOCRACY. It has a long way to go.
>
> > > > It's the people who have to rise up to say that the entire power of
> > > > the State is theirs... only delegated to democratic institutions for
> > > > their welfare and care, and nation building, and not to be usurped by
> > > > an opaque, wilful and corrupt dispensation manipulated by self -
> > > > serving oligarchical clique.
>
> > > > On Sep 5, 2:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I feel education is of great importance as it is the foundation for
> > > > growth
> > > > > as humanity.  The truth comes to the simple point either you are
> > growing
> > > > or
> > > > > you are dying. There is no standing still.
>
> > > > > As I look at civilization I see a society that is in reality is
> > stagnant,
> > > > > control by an extreme minority who are terrified of losing control.
> > The
> > > > > result is extreme poverty world wide.
> > > > > Allan
> > > > > On Sep 4, 2011 1:21 PM, "Vam" <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > We need pragmatists and status quoists but can't depend on them for
> > > > > > our future.
>
> > > > > > For that, we must nurture creatives, rebels and blasphemes.
> > Precisely
> > > > > > what the social, political, judicial and business institutions are
> > > > > > structured and pre-programmed to progressively discourage, oppose,
> > > > > > reluctantly allow, absolutely oppose, and disallow. The majority of
> > > > > > the rest of the population follows in " their " image and conforms
> > !
>
> > > > > > Don't get me wrong. Isn't that how it should be ? After all, we
> > can't
> > > > > > encourage, much less allow, monumental change everyday. Can we ?
>
> > > > > > On Sep 4, 1:51 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> That seems so true. It is scary,,  the God came out of a
> > coffershop
> > > > > >> conversation. Only it w called a 'Bartonian' named after my
> > father.
>
> > > > > >> It seem academics can only follow it teachings. You see the same
> > thing
> > > > to
> > > > > >> the extreme in the churches, there they spend their time proving
> > their
> > > > > point
> > > > > >> by quoting their religious documents. Little to creativity or
> > original
> > > > > >> thought.
> > > > > >> Allan
> > > > > >> On Sep 4, 2011 12:53 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > Icame across some recent research that says much I used to
> > teach.
> > > > > >> > I'll paraphrase rather than linking to it. It fits with what
> > Bill
> > > > > >> > says on politics, though the focus is 'creativity'
> > > > > >> > ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2011) — Most people view creativity as an
> > > > asset
> > > > > >> > -- until they come across a creative idea. That's because
> > creativity
> > > > > >> > not only reveals new perspectives; it promotes a sense of
> > > > > >> > uncertainty. The next time your great idea at work elicits
> > silence
> > > > or
> > > > > >> > eye rolls, you might just pity those co-workers. Fresh research
> > > > > >> > indicates they don't even know what a creative idea looks like
> > and
> > > > > >> > that creativity, hailed as a positive change agent, actually
> > makes
> > > > > >> > people squirm.
> > > > > >> > "How is it that people say they want creativity but in reality
> > often
> > > > > >> > reject it?" said Jack Goncalo, ILR School assistant professor of
> > > > > >> > organizational behavior and co-author of research to be
> > published in
> > > > > >> > an upcoming issue of the journal Psychological Science. The
> > paper
> > > > > >> > reports on two 2010 experiments at the University of
> > Pennsylvania
> > > > > >> > involving more than 200 people.
> > > > > >> > The studies' findings include:
> > > > > >> > Creative ideas are by definition novel, and novelty can trigger
> > > > > >> > feelings of uncertainty that make most people uncomfortable.
> > > > > >> > People dismiss creative ideas in favor of ideas that are purely
> > > > > >> > practical -- tried and true.
> > > > > >> > Objective evidence shoring up the validity of a creative
> > proposal
> > > > does
> > > > > >> > not motivate people to accept it.
> > > > > >> > Anti-creativity bias is so subtle that people are unaware of it,
> > > > which
> > > > > >> > can interfere with their ability to recognize a creative idea.
> > > > > >> > For example, subjects had a negative reaction to a running shoe
> > > > > >> > equipped with nanotechnology that adjusted fabric thickness to
> > cool
> > > > > >> > the foot and reduce blisters.
> > > > > >> > To uncover bias against creativity, the researchers used a
> > subtle
> > > > > >> > technique to measure unconscious bias -- the kind to which
> > people
> > > > may
> > > > > >> > not want to admit, such as racism. Results revealed that while
> > > > people
> > > > > >> > explicitly claimed to desire creative ideas, they actually
> > > > associated
> > > > > >> > creative ideas with negative words such as "vomit," "poison" and
> > > > > >> > "agony."
> > > > > >> > Goncalo said this bias caused subjects to reject ideas for new
> > > > > >> > products that were novel and high quality.
> > > > > >> > "Our findings imply a deep irony," wrote the authors, who also
> > > > include
> > > > > >> > Jennifer Mueller of the University of Pennsylvania and Shimul
> > > > Melwani
> > > > > >> > of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. "Revealing the
> > > > > >> > existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help
> > explain
> > > > why
> > > > > >> > people might reject creative ideas and stifle
>
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