[Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Chimps do religion.

On Sep 10, 1:04 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sadly that is very true,  I look at the man know as Jesus the son of Mary
> not Jesus the christ.. although you have to modify a few words like changing
> "son of God" to "beloved of God" and dump the harry potter story of his
> birth I think you can see the Dharma by which he lived his life..
> To me that is what is important.. not some magical formula..  A person is
> ultimately accountable for how they live this life and I would not be
> counting on another go round to live a better life.
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> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Agreed.
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> > But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people have
> > added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." is
> > most prominent.
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> > Allan H wrote:
> > > Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions are
> > all
> > > about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals and
> > their
> > > need to be important.
> > > Allan
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> > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are
> > > > religions in east ! ]
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> > > > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, and
> > > > not everything in any religion, is.
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> > > > Allan H wrote:
> > > > > Vam  you posted this:
> > > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > > > mental fear and reward.
> > > > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it
> >  yet
> > > > as
> > > > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference,
> > > >  just
> > > > > symantics
> > > > > Allan
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> > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Again :
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> > > > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" "
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> > > > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated.
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> > > > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown
> > > > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ).
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> > > > > > Vam wrote:
> > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts
> > generally
> > > > > > > expressed here :
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> > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct,
> > meaning as
> > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation,
> > believing
> > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
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> > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe
> > of
> > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of
> > > > which
> > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they
> > are
> > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and
> > the
> > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > > > > > consequences.
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> > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to
> > universal
> > > > > > > values and truths."
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> > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic?
> > Most
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say
> > some
> > > > do.
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> > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms
> > used
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in
> > such
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his
> > > > intent!
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> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to
> > many
> > > > > > eastern
> > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
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> > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > > > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and
> > > > ideology
> > > > > > > > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure,
> > physical
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward.
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> > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of
> > > > living
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > none of these.
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> > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West
> > and
> > > > > > Middle
> > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !
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> > > > > --
> > > > >  (
> > > > >   )
> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever ruined
> > > > your
> > > > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have a
> > good
> > > > > day.
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> > > --
> > >  (
> > >   )
> > > |_D Allan
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> > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever
> > ruined
> > > your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a
> > good
> > > day.
>
> --
>  (
>   )
> |_D Allan
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> May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined
> your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good
> day.