Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: "Beyond 'New Atheism'" By Gary Gutting

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meh!  As we know religion has no claim on the roots of morality.
> Should we judge any ideal by the behaviour of the ideals proponantes?

That remind me of a quote by Gandhi, "I like your Christ, I do not
like your Christians.Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

> I don't think we should.  Surely we should look at the idea itself and
> the ideals it promotes?
>
> I try to be non bigoted, but I still enjoy the racist joke.  Shall we
> judge the idea of racial harmony by the idea itself or by my laughing
> at the odd racist joke?
>
> Back on track though.  I'm still astounded by the majority of this.  I
> know what makes me happy, I know how I wish to live my life, and I
> certianly resent anybody telling me that my lifes choices are not
> right.  How do they know? What I do, what I belive, IS right for me,
> and I would not be so rude as to tell somebody else what to belive or
> not.

While that is a principled approach as regards your beliefs the sad
state is that in the absence of an effective defense against the more
zealous groups they have taken advantage of the opportunity to
leverage populations against those principles of liberty. Out of
curiosity, are you referring to someone/group in particular?

> On Sep 16, 11:29 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/atheism-scientific-ve...
>>
>> I read this late yesterday and a few reader comments which stressed a
>> child's lack of choice in matters of religious denomination and
>> practice so I feel I was on the "beam". I thought further- but did not
>> post- that we judge a religion by the behavior of its followers/
>> believers and if that is negative it cannot help but color our
>> attitude about that religion.
>>
>> My experience with Notre Dame leaves a great deal to be desired, as
>> well. So why should I trust Gary Gutting?

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